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    Maybe early reports are wrong, but from everything I've been reading, and have heard on the radio, there were no US Marines assigned to the Ambassadors security detail. His security was made up of Lybians according to reports. Lybians who took him to a safe house, and then told the savage primitives who murdered him that he was there. If this is true, wtf were people thinking?


    Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens - CBS News

    Wanis al-Sharef, a Libyan Interior Ministry official in Benghazi, said the four Americans were killed when the angry mob, which gathered to protest a U.S.-made film that ridicules Islam's Prophet Muhammad, fired guns and burned down the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

    He said Stevens, 52, and other officials were moved to a second building, deemed safer, after the initial wave of protests at the consulate. According to al-Sharef, members of the Libyan security team seem to have indicated to the protesters the building to which the American officials had been relocated, and that building then came under attack.
    Stevens, 52, was the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.
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    Always thought Marines provided security at Embassies..

    I heard something completely different, that the three others killed were diplomats and 8 Libyans were also killed...
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    who told you?
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    Poor little muslims, remember we have to be gentle and kind, lets wait until we have some more facts, god willing in the end we will probably find out that this was all a mistake, lets all calm down now and take a deep breath, I'm sure our beautiful brave President will get to the bottom of it.
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    Don't you get enough attention at home or something, as you have an incessant need to stalk and seek negative attention..

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    More likely, Hillary and Obama didn't provide sufficient protection. I read two Marines died.
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    Actually the security if provided by the Diplomatic Security Service, a special law enforcement branch of the State Department..

    Marines are also involved, Marine Corps Embassy Security Group

    You all are aware that the Libyan attack was in Benghazi in a temporary consulate, not the embassy which is in Tripoli..
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    yeah...........so?
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions

    doesn't mean obama gets a pass........why has this idea that its ok for the current pr
    esident to screw up the same way past president have and not have it count against them?

    clinton was a complete disaster for not dealing with the embassy bombings on his watch
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    There were 12 under George W...

    Short memories kick in...
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    What is your take on Reagan, withdrawing troops after 240 Marines were killed????

    There was one attack on mideast embassies during Clinton.....
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    Because if there were 12 embassy attacks under Bush and there have only been 2 (3 if you count Yeman today) under Obama it tends to point to the fact that our embassies have been safer, rather than less safe, under Obama .

    Most especially if you take into account the number of lives lost and injuries sustained.

    June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

    February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    Truck bomb kills 17.

    February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

    July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
    Suicide bomber kills two.

    December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
    Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

    March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

    September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
    Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

    January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
    A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

    July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
    Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

    March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

    September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

    Daily Kos: If diplomatic attacks are a sign of weakness, Bush was the weakest of all
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    2, actually......along with an attack on a US warship as well as an attack on WTC

    my take on the Lebanon bombing is that the muslim terrorist world was brazen after the butt-pounding the US took in Tehran due to the most vaginal president in modern history.....carter.
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    yeah.......safer........or are you simply far sighted.......or simply willing to ignore these because it does not shine so brightly on your baby?

    2009:

    June 1, Little Rock, Arkansas: Abdulhakim Muhammed, a Muslim convert from Memphis, Tennessee, is charged with shooting two soldiers outside a military recruiting center. One is killed and the other is wounded.
    Dec. 25: A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear.

    2010:
    April 5:An attack near the U.S. Consulate in Peshawar, Pakistan, kills two consulate security guards and at least six others.
    May 1, New York City: a car bomb is discovered in Times Square, New York City after smoke is seen coming from a vehicle. The bomb was ignited, but failed to detonate and was disarmed before it could cause any harm. Times Square was evacuated as a safety precaution. Faisal Shahzad pleads guilty to placing the bomb as well as 10 terrorism and weapons charges.
    May 10, Jacksonville, Florida: a pipe bomb explodes while approximately 60 Muslims are praying in the mosque. The attack causes no injuries.
    Oct. 29: two packages are found on separate cargo planes. Each package contains a bomb consisting of 300 to 400 grams (11-14 oz) of plastic explosives and a detonating mechanism. The bombs are discovered as a result of intelligence received from Saudi Arabia's security chief. The packages, bound from Yemen to the United States, are discovered at en route stop-overs, one in England and one in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

    get real

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    Well, Wiki aside, I listed 11 under Bush.

    And you are right, there are 6 under Obama......1 of which happened during a uprising and one of which took place in a war zone. (Afghanistan)
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    So Obama is still on pace to have more. And your assertions are wrong.
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    Interesting take, almost three years after Reagan was in office and had his own trademark on foreign policy.. Carter did it???

    Guess you are one of the folks who Deify Reagan.. he could do no wrong.
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    And what sort of sexist remark is that supposed to be?
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    LOL.......and a few that happened right here.....one in times square
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    Must be nice to be able to see into the future.

    And I'd expect you to say nothing different.
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    I believe we were talking about embassy attacks, were we not?
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