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    Atlanta Man Accused of Shooting His Mom 10 Times | Loop21

    Florida mother kills infant son in murder-suicide attempt, police say - CNN.com

    Perla Morales Arrested — Arizona Mom Shoots & Kills Her Own Children - Hollywood Life

    Texas Mom Shoots Her Two Kids After Being Denied Food Stamps (DETAILS) | Global Grind

    Mom kills her children, herself at Florida home - CNN.com

    Mom & 2 Kids Shot Dead While Dad Sits Downstairs Reading | The Stir

    Denton County husband shoots wife before killing self, police say | Crime Blog

    Police: Husband Shoots Estranged Wife, Commits Suicide | NBC 4i

    You can do this all night, once you get past the 100,000 re-posts of the heroic actual use of a gun to defend one home in Atlanta.

    Question: in the above examples, if you asked the shooters why they bought a gun, how many do you think would respond "Well, I'm thinking of becoming a family annihilator" or "To shoot my wife if I think she's cheating"?

    How many do you think cite defense of their families?

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    Well thank goodness that only guns are used to kill children and other loved ones. If we would only get on our unicorns and round up all 310,000,000 guns in the USA, then no children or family members would ever be murdered.


    On Tuesday, before Elzbieta Plackowska killed her 7-year-old son, Justin, to get back at her husband, she told the boy he was going to heaven and to get on his knees and pray, prosecutors say.
    Then she stabbed him about 100 times, as he begged for his life and said he loved her, according to prosecutors. Plackowska (also known as Plackowski) was denied bail on Thursday.
    Plackowska then turned to 5-year-old, Olivia Dworakowski, who she was babysitting at the Naperville townhome, and stabbed her about 50 times, because she witnessed the murder.
    Prosecutors said both children's throats were also slashed.


    Naperville woman kills two children because of anger toward her husband - Chicago Top News | Examiner.com


    I wonder whats worse....getting shot by an assault weapon or getting stabbed 100 times......hmmm.




    A New Orleans mother shot her 3-year-old son, drowned her 4-year-old daughter and took a bus to a hospital, complaining of stomach pains and a headache, police said.

    The children's bodies were found in the bathtub of her home Wednesday evening, the New Orleans Police said in a statement.


    Police: Mother kills 2 children, then gets on a bus - CNN.com


    Why was this mother stupid enough to use water to kill her child when she had a perfectly good gun....geez. Doesn't she know that guns are evil?



    A 30-year-old mother in Moscow tossed her two young children off a 15th-floor balcony Sunday because she was reportedly "fed up" with the two boys, according to Russian media


    Read more: Moscow mom kills kids by throwing them off 15th-floor balcony  - NY Daily News


    No guns, no water....no problem. Let gravity do the trick!



    Lisette Bamenga, the 29-year-old Bronx woman who is accused of gassing her two young children to death, used the Internet to show her how to carry out her alleged crimes, the New York Daily News reports.

    Lisette Bamenga Bronx Mother Kills Children | Breaking News for Black America



    Gas??.....doesn't she understand how much more affective assault weapons are....geez!
     
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    And we're back to comparing the one-offs to the main "body" of evidence -- as demonstrated repeatedly on these threads, the murderer's weapon of choice, when he or she has the choice, is the gun. So I'd say the main problem is being dead, rather than "which is worse." You're more likely to be dead with a gun in the house. If you want to defend your family against the eventuality that they'll die violent deaths, don't buy a gun.

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    Actually, you could say that people use guns most of the time to murder.

    Potential victims of crime also use guns most of the time to defend themselves from murderers.


    "According to these results,
    guns are used far more often to
    defend against crime than to perpetrate
    crime. (Firearms were used by
    perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents
    of violent crime in 1994, according to
    NCVS data.)"


    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
     
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    Those who advocate for anarchy, will suffer the unintended consequences of such..

    Of course the Republicans felt that the CDC's efforts on studying gun violence should be stopped, so reliable information could not be gathered and shared..

     
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    No I think you're misunderstanding him. The point is, killing your family members with a gun is actually a good thing. It's more merciful.....and you'll need lots of bullets in big clips so you don't have to resort to stabbing them 100 times if you run out of ammo. Sheesh, not only are you progressives anti-constitution, you are plain cruel. :mad: :rolleyes:
     
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    LOL....... deep....... very deep
     
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    You certainly added a lot to the conversation.. thanks for stalking.
     
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    You're going by a 20 year old study?

    Really?
     
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    Why wouldn't we look at this study for perspective? It wasn't done by either "side" of the gun debate although it was done during the Clinton administration which was anti-gun.

    If anything, you'll have more guns and more people which would make gun use for self defense even more prevalent.
     
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    Those studies cannot be done any more as Congress, influenced by the gun lobby, stopped them from occuring in 1996..

    Too bad, so we have to rely on studies that were done before assault weapons were allowed, again.

    So the government will not longer be a reliable source of facts on this matter, private studies will have to suffice..
     
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    An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and
    Gun Violence, 1994-2003
    Report to the National Institute of Justice,
    United States Department of Justice


    "There has not been a clear decline in the use of Assault Rifles, though assessments are complicated by the rarity of crimes with these weapons and by substitution of post-ban rifles that are very similar to the banned AR models.
    Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."


    http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf
     
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    Protect your family!

    Arizona woman accidentally shoots brother to death while posing for photos with pistol: cops - NY Daily News

    Woman accused of fatally shooting her brother during fight at home in northwest Harris County | abc13.com

    Woman killed by brother's gun in apparent accident in southeast Houston | abc13.com

    Girl says 10-year-old brother planned to kill dad

    Luis Montero accused of fatally shooting girlfriend Margie Reyes, her brother says - UPDATE | lehighvalleylive.com

    Jovan Belcher Shot the Mother of His Baby Nine Times, Police Say | The Big Lead

    Kalamazoo man shoots girlfriend in arm during argument, drives her to hospital, police say | MLive.com

    Deputies suspect murder-suicide, say Brandon man shot girlfriend, then himself - Tampa Bay Times

    Man who allegedly shot girlfriend arrested after chase through Tacoma | Lights & Sirens - The News Tribune

    Man charged with shooting ex-girlfriend, her boyfriend on New Year

    Police: Man kills self after fatally shooting girlfriend | Allegheny Co. News - WTAE Home

    Police: Man Shot Wife, Adult Son Before Killing Himself - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports

    Police Identify Local Man Who Shot His Wife, Then Himself

    Man wounded in shooting in Cloquet home; wife in custody | Duluth News Tribune | Duluth, Minnesota

    Police: Clifton man who shot wife dies of self-inflicted wound - NorthJersey.com

    Decorated Iraq War veteran waives hearing on charges that he killed his wife - NY Daily News

    Police: Man Shot And Killed Wife, Then Himself - WRIC Richmond News and Weather -

    Father Kills Five Children in Third U.S. Multiple Shooting - Bloomberg

    Dad accused of shooting, killing teen daughter | HLNtv.com

    Accused murderer's 8-year-old son: 'He shot my mom' | The Morning Sentinel, Waterville, ME

    How many of them bought their guns thinking "just in case I have to shoot my girlfriend/wife/child"?
     
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    What's surprising is not that you can find these stories all night. It's that most are from Jan. 2013 or Dec. 2012.

    But I'm really glad that one lady shot a home invader.

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    Well, if those five kids had guns, their daddy would be dead and they'd all be alive, dumbazz!

    You don't get it, do you?

    :americaflag::idontgetit:
     
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    Hows this for a reliable measurement?
     

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    Richmond, VA: On July 7, 2009, James Grooms entered the Golden Food Market store and attempted to hold up the store. Grooms shot the store owners several times. A customer, in the store at the time who saw the events unfold, pulled out his own gun and shot Grooms. Grooms later died of his wounds. The customer who shot Grooms was not charged.



    Virginia Beach, Virginia: On June 28, 2008, an armed robber snuck in the back door of Dominick's Pizza and Pasta and demanded cash. Manager Ferdinando Abbondante asked the gunman to go to the register, but the gunman insisted that Abbondante open the safe. Abbondante complied, knowing that the robber might see the gun Abbondante kept in the safe for transporting cash deposits. The gunman fired at Abbondante after seeing the gun, and Abbondante returned fire, hitting the robber several times. The suspect, later identified as Johnny Marocco Williams, 41, died of his wounds on the scene.


    Botetourt County, Virginia: A criminal was fatally shot after trying to break into a house. The family living in the house heard someone yelling, cursing, and pounding on their house. The homeowner called 911, secured his family members in a locked bedroom, then loaded his gun. Commonwealth Attorney Branscom said, 'When you have someone entering a home in the night in a threatening manner, it is the kind of thing that rises to the level of justifiable.' 'It got to the point where he didn't have much of a choice,' Branscom added. Reports have not identified those individuals.


    Meadowview, Virginia: On December 3, 2005, 22 year-old John Tuggle, apparently drunk, threatened to kill his 44-year old father, Jefferson Tuggle. John retrieved an axe and a knife, and the father retrieved his .357 Magnum. John lunged at his father with the knife. Jefferson Tuggle shot his son in the wrist to force him to drop the knife, which Jefferson then retrieved. Police arrested John on an attempted first-degree murder charge; Jefferson was neither injured nor charged.


    Largo, Maryland: At about 7:30 a.m. on December 12, 2008, Bill Robertson shot and killed a would-be robber. The robber entered, drew a gun, and a struggle began. Robertson, a co-owner of the store, was able to pull out a shotgun. The robber was killed at the scene.


    Collierville, Tennessee: On December 24, 2005, several intruders tripped the burglar alarm of Brian Harper's home, waking him up. Harper fired his .45-caliber handgun at the intruders, and struck one of them, Lakim Duffy. Duffy subsequently died from the wound. It later came to light that Duffy had a lengthy arrest record, including criminal trespass and aggravated battery. If was unclear if Harper's shots struck any of the other intruders.


    Nashville, Tennessee: On November 30, 2008, repeat offender Jamie L. Sullivan tried to rob a convenience store wearing a mask and carrying a BB pistol that closely resembled a firearm. Spotting uniformed security guard Eric Gordon, Sullivan confronted him. Gordon drew his own weapon and fatally shot Sullivan, who had a police record of 146 crimes since June of 1989. Police determined that the shooting was justified.


    Maryville, Tennessee: On February 12, 2010, Mathew Dressler picked a fight and pulled a knife on an unidentified customer at the local Wal-Mart. Concealed carry permit holder Billy Dunkelberger saw what was happening and went to intervene. Dressler then turned the knife on Dunkelberger. The confrontation ended without any shots being fired. Eventually, the police arrested Dressler. No charges were filed against Dunkelberger.


    Coalfield, Tennessee: On the morning of February 16, 2007, Suzanne Carson, at home alone with her three children, saw a young man attempting to break in her back door. Carson grabbed her husband's pistol and ordered the man to stop. The man continued breaking in, and Carson fired a shot. The man stepped fully into the kitchen through the back door, and Carson fired two more shots, finally forcing the man to retreat. The woman had been taught how to shoot by her husband only a month earlier.


    Clarksville, Tennessee: At 1 a.m. on June 28, 2007, a burglary turned into a gun-wrestling, kick-down-the-stairs fight between a man and an armed robber in a River Hills Drive home. The victim's wife awoke and helped by knocking the suspect, Craig Majors, on the head. The husband got control of Major's gun for a second time, but the gun did not work, so he swung it at the intruder, who then fled. Law enforcement found the getaway vehicle that the victims had described, but no Majors. Majors crashed the vehicle into a tree and then fled on foot. Sheriff's Investigator Julie Webb did not release the couple's name, but approved of their response to the burglary. 'It worked out awesome,' she said.


    Elkins, West Virginia: On February 16, 2007, Leslie Woodford threatened one person too many after a domestic dispute involving a difficult divorce. When visiting his ex-wife and her father, he pulled a gun. The father was able to retrieve a shotgun. Woodford left that altercation before the police arrived. Not done, he then broke into the home of Steven Snider, his ex-wife's boyfriend, and was shot to death. Snider was initially charged with second-degree murder but was subsequently released once authorities determined it was a case of self-defense


    Wilmington, North Carolina: On November 17, 2011, an armed robber entered the Wrightsville County Store and demanded that the store clerk, Mark Headstrong, hand over money from the register. The clerk quickly pulled out a gun and demanded that the culprit drop his weapon. When the robber did not comply with his instructions, Headstrong fired his weapon twice, hitting the robber non-fatally in the leg and finger. Police were then called and the suspect was charged with attempted robbery and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.


    Oriental, North Carolina: In the early morning hours of October 8, 2010, Jesse Cahoon was awakened by his front door being kicked in. He grabbed a nearby rifle and entered an adjacent room where he found three unidentified men in his residence. He immediately fired a shot towards the men, causing all three to immediately flee the residence. No further information regarding the incident was reported


    Hope Mills, North Carolina: On Monday, September 26, 2011, a 21 year old woman who was home alone was startled by two men trying to break in through her back door. She ran upstairs to retrieve her gun and then fired two shots in their direction through a window. The two men fled the scene


    Worcester, Massachusetts: On December 10, 2008, Evan Louis Rivera and an unknown accomplice, both wearing masks, entered Big Bob's Liquors and held one of the two clerks on duty at gunpoint. One of the clerks, whose name was not released by police, drew his own gun and fired several shots at Rivera, who died of his wounds shortly thereafter. The other thief fled. The clerk who fired shots was licensed to possess and carry a firearm and was not charged


    Boston, Massachusetts: On October 29, 2009, Jay Carciero began stabbing a psychiatrist at a clinic. Paul Langone, an off duty security officer, rushed in and fired his pistol, fatally wounding Carciero. District attorney Daniel Conley said that Langone had acted lawfully and went on to say, 'There is strong evidence that he saved the life of Dr. Desrosiers and perhaps several other people.'


    Bridgeport, Connecticut: On the evening of September 26, 2010, Allen Dixon and an unknown accomplice entered the Peking Restaurant and ordered food. Once the cash register was open, Dixon pulled a gun and demanded the cash. The restaurant owner, a concealed carry permit holder, then pulled his gun and shot once. Dixon died while fleeing the scene. Initial reports did not disclose the name of the restaurant owner.


    New Haven, Connecticut: Two masked men entered the store of Karar Jawad on a night in November 2011. Both men were brandishing weapons. First they demanded money from the customer in line before pointing the gun directly at the chest of Jawad. Jawad leaned down and instead of grabbing money, took out his gun and fired at the robbers. The robbers stumbled and fled. Police later found one suspect at a local hospital where he was being treated for a gunshot wound.


    Granby, New York: On December 20, 2005, two robbers, Kyle Hunter and Donald Brown, armed with a shotgun and a machete broke into a Granby home and tied up the home's five occupants. Two of the intended victims managed to get free and turn the shotgun on their captors. One robber received a birdshot wound; both were caught by local and state law enforcement officers after fleeing. The victims' names were not released by police.


    Bergen, New York: On the morning of May 25, 2004, a resident returned home to discover three individuals--Michael Skavarek, David Johnston, and Jacqueline Vasquez--attempting to break into his home. The homeowner confronted them with his handgun, and the suspects then tried to flee in a van. The homeowner, unidentified in initial reports, broke a window of the van, at which point Skavarek and Johnston threw gasoline at him and ran off. The homeowner was able to hold Vasquez at gunpoint for police and the other two were apprehended soon after. No shots were fired



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    You kind of have to go to the back of the racks for that, dontcha, RI?

    Since there are so many more defensive uses of guns than gun murders of loved ones, how come your stories are all from other decades, whereas the people shooting loved ones can be found every day?

    Hell, you're even including robbers who invaded the home with the shotgun, and got their shotgun wrestled away and turned against them. You're a little desperate when you're claiming that guns make you safer even when criminals invade your home with them, because you can turn the gun against them and stop the home invasion.

    PFnV
     
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    News Alert, this study was done by Penn State, not by the Federal Government and it concluded..

    Thanks for validating the position that assault weapons should be stopped.. keep googling..

    What we do know is scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit.
     
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    I just took the first article I saw. Why would I waste my time searching? The Clinton administration study agrees that guns are used more often in defense than criminal activity.
    I mean, if you can't trust a Progressive Democrat like Clinton who can you trust? :confused2:
     

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