OT: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

[Rob0729]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

I remember everything you said about the Jets in the offseason,and its so funny reading it now...

Jets playing well must make you sick and on top of that they win and they beat your Patriots...

We heard your act:
LT is washed up
Cro is terrible(good enough to blanket Moss in the second half)
Jets cant run
the offense is the worse in the NFL
Sanchez is terrible and will never be good
Ryan cant coach
the team will implode after 3 weeks

Even the Pats fans reading you say you are delusional
You got to face the music sometimes.

One thing. Cro has been terrible other than a half vs. Moss. Great pick up for the Jets! He gets owned for 14 1/2 games, but shutdown Moss. So far, he has been Anquan Boldin's, Todd Heap's, Aaron Hernandez's, and Brandon Marshall's biatch. Cromartie is my favorite Jet because he almost single handily makes that Jets defense go from a great defense average to above average.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

I said this on another thread, but I'm not sure why the Pats didn't sign him, if for no other reason than they play the Ravens in a few weeks, and they could have Lawyer Milloyed them.

We'll just have to see if the Jets are stupid enough to cut any more Woodhead types. Their roster size isn't infinite.

I know what the Pats didn't sign him. He didn't want to come here and he isn't a two gap player. The guy isn't going to want to learn a new system at age 35. He is an one gap player and is probably a poor fit for the Pats defense.

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

Another body I would have really liked to throw at the DE position. Oh well.

Schefter was just on EEI saying the Pats never would've been in the mix - it was Jets or Ravens. Ravens never thought he was going anywhere but underestimated his desire to play for Rex Ryan. Ravens did not cut him due to performance, thought he would sign right back with them. But you treat a player like that and he has another option out there, he may just take that other option.

 

[JetFan19]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

All this doesn't change the fact that if the Ravens really wanted this guy they never would have cut him.

Plus, even if the Patriots had wanted him, it was his choice whom to sign with.

The Ravens tried sneaking him off the roster for a week to bring in Hamlin for match up reasons only. They wanted to bring him back the following week.

I love this spin from the homers, when the Pats bring in a player that another team didn't supposedly want, it's a great move by master Bill, but when other teams make a move to bring in a quality veteran, Pats fans spin it down.

 

[JetFan19]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

One thing. Cro has been terrible other than a half vs. Moss. Great pick up for the Jets! He gets owned for 14 1/2 games, but shutdown Moss. So far, he has been Anquan Boldin's, Todd Heap's, Aaron Hernandez's, and Brandon Marshall's biatch. Cromartie is my favorite Jet because he almost single handily makes that Jets defense go from a great defense average to above average.

You keep spinning this, but you've been proven wrong.

He didn't cover Heap or Hernandez, you're completely spinning this out of your ass. And making an assumption over a 16 game period after 3 games is pathetic.

As I said in the off-season, the Charges defense went through major philosophical changes the last two years, they moved away from a pressure defense to a zone defense, they moved their CB's off of the line of scrimmage and played a lot of zone. The Jets deploy a lot of man to man defense with their CB's, this coverage works the best in Rex's scheme, which is why he wanted to shutdown man-to-man CB's in Revis and Cromartie. Cromartie, to his credit has bought into the scheme, and has been much improved so far this year, he's been more physical, and has actually showed a willingess to make plays on the LOS and against running game. The change of scenery has helped him, and when Revis returns, figures to be a major boost for the Jets defense.

 

[JetFan19]

I also laugh at some of the Pats fans comments in this thread, making references to Pryce's age. Since when is that an issue for Pats fans, considering how every year, Belichick deploys a fair share of veteran players on the active roster each Sunday?

Jets lost two players on the DL, Jenkins, and also Pitatoui, a player who was going to get a lot of playing time as a rotational player at DE, and who has a lot of upside. Pryce is going to fill that role, as well as help with the rotation in Jenkins' absense, it's a very good pick-up.

The most impressive part of the pick-up is how much he loves playing for Rex.

Trevor Pryce chose the Jets because of Rex Ryan

Veteran defensive end leaves the Ravens Aaron Wilson

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Veteran defensive end Trevor Pryce chose the New York Jets over the Baltimore Ravens for one big reason: swaggering Jets coach Rex Ryan.

Pryce was cut by the Ravens on Wednesday and was expected to rejoin the team Monday, but the possibility of playing for the Jets and reuniting with Ryan was intriguing to him.

"I'm humbled that Rex wanted me to play here," Pryce said during a press conference this afternoon. "When this opportunity pops up, you go, 'Ah, I don’t think I'm going back.' "

Pryce said he spoke with Ravens coach John Harbaugh about returning, but noted that the Ravens took a risk by releasing him.

"John was very cool about it," Pryce said. "He was as positive as he could be. It was a half-hour talk. He said I really didn't want to do it, but I need that spot until Monday. John was very candid that they were bringing me back Monday My agent knew that if Rex called, that is where I was going."

The four-time Pro Bowl pass rusher is due a $2 million salary from the Ravens as well as his new one-year deal with the Jets.

"If you stay around the NFL long enough," Pryce said. "Some other teams called. He's such a loyal guy to his guys. They were only casting me off for a week. It came out of nowhere. It you are vested, you get to pick and chose.

"I was brought here as a pass rusher. I don't think they were surprised. They took a calculated risk. I think they thought teams would call, but I don't think they thought things would happen so fast. Looking at their playbook, it was really, really similar to our playbook."

Pryce, 35, said he didn't expect to play much as a pass-rush specialist with the Ravens since Baltimore was having issues on first and secon downs.

"We couldn't stop water from running," he said. "We had some stuff to work out."

Pryce said that Ryan was the major selling point for the Jets.

"He instills confidence in you that you don't have," Pryce said. "I got released from Denver, that whole thing went down, and he just thought I was more than I knew I was. And by doing that, you don't want to let somebody like that down."

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[Rob0729]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

You keep spinning this, but you've been proven wrong.

He didn't cover Heap or Hernandez, you're completely spinning this out of your ass. And making an assumption over a 16 game period after 3 games is pathetic.

As I said in the off-season, the Charges defense went through major philosophical changes the last two years, they moved away from a pressure defense to a zone defense, they moved their CB's off of the line of scrimmage and played a lot of zone. The Jets deploy a lot of man to man defense with their CB's, this coverage works the best in Rex's scheme, which is why he wanted to shutdown man-to-man CB's in Revis and Cromartie. Cromartie, to his credit has bought into the scheme, and has been much improved so far this year, he's been more physical, and has actually showed a willingess to make plays on the LOS and against running game. The change of scenery has helped him, and when Revis returns, figures to be a major boost for the Jets defense.

He did see coverage on both Heap and Hernandez, but they weren't the primary coverages. Both caught passes on a play or two though.


Here is ones from Hernandez

3-8-NE 27 (5:40) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 85-A.Hernandez to NE 45 for 18 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
3-6-NYJ 13 (14:32) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 85-A.Hernandez pushed ob at NYJ 6 for 7 yards (31-A.Cromartie).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20100...:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

I did forget Derrick Mason owned Cromartie on a few plays too.


Again, Cromartie was horrible in both the Ravens and Dolphins game. Totally owned in both games. Lito Sheppard couldn't do any worse. He had a mediocre first half against the Pats and a great second half. He has been exactly what I thought he would be - a boom or bust type of player who is more bust than boom. If Marshall didn't dog it in the red zone on that final drive, Cromartie pro9bably would have been the goat of the game. Unfortunately for the Dolphins after Marshall totally burnt Cromartie for a huge gain that gave them first and goal, Marshall was spent (from burning Cromartie all night) and ran half speed on the next three plays.

Cromartie is no different in NY than he has been in San Deigo. He gets burnt a lot and makes the occassional big play. In two of three games he played, his primary guy did great. I don't know how you can spin it that he is playing well. He isn't struggling like Kyle Wilson, but he has been mediocre. Even if he played great vs. NE, he played like crap vs. the Ravens and Dolphins.

 

[Rob0729]

I also laugh at some of the Pats fans comments in this thread, making references to Pryce's age. Since when is that an issue for Pats fans, considering how every year, Belichick deploys a fair share of veteran players on the active roster each Sunday?

Jets lost two players on the DL, Jenkins, and also Pitatoui, a player who was going to get a lot of playing time as a rotational player at DE, and who has a lot of upside. Pryce is going to fill that role, as well as help with the rotation in Jenkins' absense, it's a very good pick-up.

The most impressive part of the pick-up is how much he loves playing for Rex.

His age may or may not be an issue. Based on what he has done for the Ravens thus far, it is an issue. He might turn into a good situational pass rusher for the Jets. But even with a handshake agreement the Ravens to return next week, the Ravens wouldn't have released the guy if they thought he had a lot in the tank.

He could come to the Jets and get 4-5 sacks. Or he could end up being nothing for them. Too early to tell. To say he is going to make even a decent size impact at this point would be as much of an homer point of view than a hater point of view since he hasn't gotten even a single assisted tackle this season thus far.

 

[Gunnails]

I don't know a lot about Price, but considering he knows the system it seems to be a great in season addition, as noted the Jets have depth issues on the D line.

I would guess it is a 1 or 2 year deal at near Vet minimum?

 

[Rob0729]

I don't know a lot about Price, but considering he knows the system it seems to be a great in season addition, as noted the Jets have depth issues on the D line.

I would guess it is a 1 or 2 year deal at near Vet minimum?

It is one year at the veteran minimum. It is a low risk move for the Jets that could pay off. I have no problem with them adding him. I liked when they added Jason Taylor too (I wish the Pats signed him instead). I just don't know if Pryce has anything left. If he does, the Jets got a steal and the Ravens were morons.

If the Ravens thought he had a lot left, they would have never released him and left him exposed though even with a handshake agreement to return. Granted they could be wrong.

 

[Gunnails]

It is one year at the veteran minimum. It is a low risk move for the Jets that could pay off. I have no problem with them adding him. I liked when they added Jason Taylor too (I wish the Pats signed him instead). I just don't know if Pryce has anything left. If he does, the Jets got a steal and the Ravens were morons.

If the Ravens thought he had a lot left, they would have never released him and left him exposed though even with a handshake agreement to return. Granted they could be wrong.

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I agree, it should also be noted that the Ravens have great depth on there D line, which you would assume would have factored into there decision.

Point is that good players often get cut in order to make match up/roster moves. Woodhead.

 

[ausbacker]

**** me aren't the Jets fans a lippy lot after securing the tremendous record of 2-1.

 

[Rob0729]

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I agree, it should also be noted that the Ravens have great depth on there D line, which you would assume would have factored into there decision.

Point is that good players often get cut in order to make match up/roster moves. Woodhead.

I don't know if I would call Woodhead a good player yet. He had a great game for the Pats last week, but he has a long way to go. Expendable players get cut. Considering what Pryce was, the fact he was an expendable player may mean he is done. But I and the the Ravens could be wrong.

 

[JetFan19]

I don't know if I would call Woodhead a good player yet. He had a great game for the Pats last week, but he has a long way to go. Expendable players get cut. Considering what Pryce was, the fact he was an expendable player may mean he is done. But I and the the Ravens could be wrong.

No, you're just looking at this with your blue and red bi-focals on.

Ravens needed to make a move to bring in Hamlin for this week's game, a match up scenario. They were going to bring Pryce back next week. From all reports, the team and especially the players are not happy Pryce was both released, and that he signed with the Jets. He will provide a situational role, playing about 20 - 25 snaps a game. You said the same thing about Jason Taylor during the off-season, and I told you he would be a role player.

Turns out, Taylor has had to start with the Pace injury, should be back next week, and Taylor has flourished.

 

[JetFan19]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

He did see coverage on both Heap and Hernandez, but they weren't the primary coverages. Both caught passes on a play or two though.


Here is ones from Hernandez

3-8-NE 27 (5:40) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 85-A.Hernandez to NE 45 for 18 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
3-6-NYJ 13 (14:32) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 85-A.Hernandez pushed ob at NYJ 6 for 7 yards (31-A.Cromartie).

NFL Game Center: New England Patriots at New York Jets - 2010 Week 2

I did forget Derrick Mason owned Cromartie on a few plays too.


Again, Cromartie was horrible in both the Ravens and Dolphins game. Totally owned in both games. Lito Sheppard couldn't do any worse. He had a mediocre first half against the Pats and a great second half. He has been exactly what I thought he would be - a boom or bust type of player who is more bust than boom. If Marshall didn't dog it in the red zone on that final drive, Cromartie pro9bably would have been the goat of the game. Unfortunately for the Dolphins after Marshall totally burnt Cromartie for a huge gain that gave them first and goal, Marshall was spent (from burning Cromartie all night) and ran half speed on the next three plays.

Cromartie is no different in NY than he has been in San Deigo. He gets burnt a lot and makes the occassional big play. In two of three games he played, his primary guy did great. I don't know how you can spin it that he is playing well. He isn't struggling like Kyle Wilson, but he has been mediocre. Even if he played great vs. NE, he played like crap vs. the Ravens and Dolphins.

Pulling stats from NFL.com is beyond pathetic, a player making a tackle doesn't mean he had coverage on the play. And it is quite easy to understand that Hernandez is making plays because teams don't know about him yet, as he creates more game film, teams will have to game plan for him.

Cromartie is VERY different from his play in SD, he's been far more physical and has shown a willingness to play physical football since joining the Jets. He is also new to the system, and the Jets secondary has been in flux due to Revis being in and out of the line-up, and also while they work in a rookie CB. Cromartie was HUGE against Moss, and made key plays against Marshall in the phins game.

I don't know how you say Cromartie was horrible in the Ravens game, the Ravens were going after the rookie. Cromartie is also still learning the system and getting comfortable with 3 new starters in the secondary right now with Revis out. Once Revis returns, it's easy to see, if you actually watch the games, to see how effective Cromartie has been.

Here is a good review of his play against Marshall:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81aef266/Playbook-Marshall-s-disappearing-act

For once, take off your Patriot homer glasses off and stop spinning everything negative when it involves the Jets.

 

[JetFan19]

His age may or may not be an issue. Based on what he has done for the Ravens thus far, it is an issue. He might turn into a good situational pass rusher for the Jets. But even with a handshake agreement the Ravens to return next week, the Ravens wouldn't have released the guy if they thought he had a lot in the tank.

He could come to the Jets and get 4-5 sacks. Or he could end up being nothing for them. Too early to tell. To say he is going to make even a decent size impact at this point would be as much of an homer point of view than a hater point of view since he hasn't gotten even a single assisted tackle this season thus far.

Pryce's role with the Ravens was situational, he hasn't been on the field a lot the last couple of weeks because they have struggled against the run, and have had to adjust their schemes to stop the running game.

He flourished under Rex, had 7 sacks last year as a full time player, he will be a part time player. As in the case with Taylor, that you said the Phins wouldn't have let him go if he could still play, Taylor is flourishing under Rex.

Take off those homer glasses, it will help you see things more clearly when it doesn't involve the Pats.

 

[Rob0729]

Pryce's role with the Ravens was situational, he hasn't been on the field a lot the last couple of weeks because they have struggled against the run, and have had to adjust their schemes to stop the running game.

He flourished under Rex, had 7 sacks last year as a full time player, he will be a part time player. As in the case with Taylor, that you said the Phins wouldn't have let him go if he could still play, Taylor is flourishing under Rex.

Take off those homer glasses, it will help you see things more clearly when it doesn't involve the Pats.

Really? So when I said that I liked the Taylor signing and I thought he was their best offseason pick up I really means that he was done. The only things negative I have said about the guy is that he looked like an entitled arse who wasn't putting in the effort on Hard Knocks and that he was invisible for the entire preseason. I wanted the Pats to sign the guy and I hated that the Jets did.

As for Pryce, the guy is 35 years old and players that age can hit the age wall hard and fast. As for last year, 4 of his 6.5 sacks came in September and early October. In his last month and the playoffs, all he had was half a sack. So he could have gotten old as the season went along last year.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Trevor Pryce signs with the Jets

Pulling stats from NFL.com is beyond pathetic, a player making a tackle doesn't mean he had coverage on the play. And it is quite easy to understand that Hernandez is making plays because teams don't know about him yet, as he creates more game film, teams will have to game plan for him.

Cromartie is VERY different from his play in SD, he's been far more physical and has shown a willingness to play physical football since joining the Jets. He is also new to the system, and the Jets secondary has been in flux due to Revis being in and out of the line-up, and also while they work in a rookie CB. Cromartie was HUGE against Moss, and made key plays against Marshall in the phins game.

I don't know how you say Cromartie was horrible in the Ravens game, the Ravens were going after the rookie. Cromartie is also still learning the system and getting comfortable with 3 new starters in the secondary right now with Revis out. Once Revis returns, it's easy to see, if you actually watch the games, to see how effective Cromartie has been.

Here is a good review of his play against Marshall:

NFL Videos: Playbook: Brandon Marshall loses steam

For once, take off your Patriot homer glasses off and stop spinning everything negative when it involves the Jets.

Yes, Cromartie was awesome with those designed pass interference calls for big pick ups on third downs. The way the Jets offense was playing, the design was to allow Baltimore convert first downs

And thank you for posting the NFL.com video that shows Marshall burning Cromartie on a 30 yard pass. Excellently diving at feet and missing play. Executed perfectly! Cromartie did his job pretending to get burnt like a rookie to make the game interesting. That video is a damnation of Marshall not going full speed in the red zone, not great play by Cromartie. Perfect example of Cromartie's boom and bust play.

So eventhough Cromartie has played awful in two of three games, he has been great and only looks bad because of a new system and Revis been out. Great logic.

BTW, you should take of your homer glasses and stop accusing others of wearing them when you give video evidence of how "great" Cromartie plays that the first play of the video shows him getting burnt for a 30 yard pass where 20 of the yards are YAC after he gets burnt and the Jets were just lucky someone could catch Marshall from behind before he got into the endzone with a 2 point conversion away from tying the game. That was not stepping up on a key play at the right time.