Welcome to PatsFans.com

OT: This is NOT a horse collar tackle

Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by weswelker#83, Nov 24, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Ndamukong Suh pulls Marion Barber's hair on a crucial run, which is then ruled a horse collar.
    [​IMG]




    [​IMG]
    Coach : "it's not horse collar, that's his hair!"


    NFL video:
    NFL Videos: Suh pulls Barber's hair
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2010
  2. Calciumee

    Calciumee PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    4,598
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    But didn't Suh also commit a facemask on that play?

    But the call was wrong :)
  3. A.C Vegas

    A.C Vegas Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2006
    Messages:
    2,154
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    It might not technally be a horse coller it's still insanely dangourous
  4. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I don't disagree with your sentiments, but I'll acknowledge that long hair prevents a defender from grabbing a portion of your jersey. It does seem only fair that they can grab your hair instead. This also explains why defensive players can keep their hair longer, while offensive players would have a reason to cut it.
    Edgerrin James got dragged down by his hair once late in his career. he cut his dreads the next day.
  5. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    If the rules don't specifically ban hair pulling, they should.
  6. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Then all the WR will have long dreads, that's a nice advantage to them. :)
  7. Nikolai

    Nikolai Football Atheist PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,384
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #54 Jersey
    I disagree. If someone's hair is going to take away a large portion of the back that someone can grab in order to make a tackle, that adds yet another restriction on defenders.
  8. cincipatsfan

    cincipatsfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2007
    Messages:
    698
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    If you want to go out on the field with hair halfway down your back, then you deal with the consequences. Saying that's off limits would be crazy. Tuck it in if you don't want it getting yanked on during a game.
  9. #56300ex

    #56300ex Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2007
    Messages:
    693
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Agree 100% ^^
  10. satz

    satz Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2006
    Messages:
    1,919
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    That was a bad call on SUH.

    The NFL has a specific dress rule put in when troy pallamalu was pulled by his hair on an interception return that all players must put there hair either inside there helmet or jersey.

    So here barber was actually not under the NFL dress code. So how can SUH get a call because of barber not following league policy.
  11. Simkin

    Simkin Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2009
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    In 4 years we can see something like that with Brady hair alla Polamalu lol . I hope not, btw
  12. bresna

    bresna PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    332
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I thought it was a penalty to pull someone down by his hair? When Larry Johnson was a Chief, he got penalized that time he pulled down Polamalu on an interception return. Did they change the rule since then?

    EDIT - I found a video. It was penalty for unnecessary roughness because he held on too long.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2010
  13. Mountain_Commando

    Mountain_Commando Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Suh pulled the Barber's hair :D
  14. weswelker#83

    weswelker#83 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,535
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:


    This is the video:
    Polamalu intercepts the ball and gets tackled by his hair
    YouTube - Polamalu tackled by hair

    Better watch your back, Polamalu. Suh is watching. :D
  15. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    11,112
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +33 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I recall the Polamalu ruling a little differently -- not that you must keep your hair inside your uniform per se, but that IF your hair extends outside your uniform, it's fair game for tackling. IOW, a player assumes the risks of choosing to go Rapunzel.
  16. 37Harrison

    37Harrison Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2005
    Messages:
    1,594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #37 Jersey
    ^This.

    I thought the rule was that if your hair extends out from your helmet it is considered part of the uniform and therefore not a penalty if you get pulled down by your hair/uniform.
  17. Dragda

    Dragda Yes, it's really me... PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,339
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #93 Jersey
    hair is considered part of the uniform. It's covered under the rules. I think it would have to be a horse collar.
  18. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,819
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    Or the players should just get rid of the long hair.
  19. sbpatfan

    sbpatfan Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    1,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Refs always seem to hose the Lions, the Calvin Johnson "no TD" pissed me off.
  20. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I would not have a problem with that. Either way tackling someone by the hair is dangerous and could very easily cause a broken neck and lifetime of being paralysed.

    Crew cuts for all the players.
  21. betterthanthealternative

    betterthanthealternative Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,156
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    But it is not a horse collar to pull someone down by the uniform. Only one small, very specific part of the uniform.
  22. Batman

    Batman Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2007
    Messages:
    651
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    The NFL have been clear about this in the past a player can have his hair tucked into his pads or out of them if he is tackled by his hair and it is untucked then it is fair game to grab it hence why randy moss had his in a single plait and tucked in. It is dangerous to be tackled by the hair but the NFL can't tell a player to cut their hair but it's not their responsibility to protect it otherwise all players would have as much hair as possible to cover the back and make pursuit almost impossible. Simply tie it up and tuck it in.
  23. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Believe this has been discussed previously, hair is fair game.. if you choose to have long flowing hair it can be grabbed..
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2010
  24. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I disagree with both of your statements.

    First:

    The league has rules regarding sock color and the wearing of jewelry. They absolutely could mandate hair length, just like the military does.

    Second:

    The NFL absolutely has a responsibility to protect the health players and have rules to prevent injury.
  25. Pewsterbaby

    Pewsterbaby Rookie

    Joined:
    May 6, 2009
    Messages:
    743
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Whatever you say, Sergeant Slaughter.
  26. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,443
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +84 / 1 / -2

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    So did Ricky Williams.

    And I agree. If they're going to have long hair that covers their back, it should be considered part of the uniform. And it should be fine to drag them down by that. If they don't like it, they'll cut their hair or at least make the dreads a little bit shorter. Same goes for guys like Clay Matthews if they make an interception.
  27. Batman

    Batman Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2007
    Messages:
    651
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I am sure they would have to put it in contract about hair length I would not like it if my boss told me to cut my hair.

    The NFL have to protect players but if a player chooses to ignore the safety advice then it's their problem, I get safety advice on how to safely lift things at work if I choose to ignore this and injure myself my employer is not responsible for my injury I am.
  28. Michael

    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2004
    Messages:
    9,005
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #12 Jersey
    It's actually hard to tell. His hand could be tucked in. But, with that hair I'd have no problem with a non call. Much like the blatant non call horse collar the Steelers got away with in Super Bowl Xtra Lame.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2010
  29. Rene Magritte

    Rene Magritte Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Alas, the treachery of interpretation. I understand the depth and severity of your concern.

    [​IMG]
  30. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,443
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +84 / 1 / -2

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    I disagree. It's clearly purple. :confused:
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page