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  1. Rob0729

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    From Profootball Weekly:

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The Way We Hear It/default.htm

    Sounds like Mangini is ready to throw Schottenheimer under the bus right now. I hear that they have had to get a bigger team meeting room because everyone on the team wants to sit with their back to the wall because they are getting neck strains checking out their backs for daggers whenever Mangini is in the room.
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    Rofl.

    I can't help but wonder if things would be that insane if the Pats started losing a lot. You'd think that Belichick's 5 SB rings would keep the vultures from second-guessing the coach. But then, Mangini has 3 rings himself.
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    That sounds like a similar head coach assessment, like from 2001.
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    Nah! Tony Dungy was never like that.

    Oh, you think it was Bill Belichick. Find one article where the players ever questioned Belichick's coaching style or lost faith in Belichick. Other than Tom Jackson's "they hate their coach" in 2003, there was none.
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    I wish that were true.

    Do you think the PFT guy has continuous access to their locker room?

    And mind reading ability, I forgot that.

    Whatever, sounds good.

    EDIT: I forgot clairvoyance.
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    Certainly none that I recall.

    Poor Mangina. Poor guy just can't catch a break. ;)
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    As many in the "McDaniels as a HC candidate" thread made clear, its the Head Coach, not the offensive coordinator, who is ultimately responsible for the play calling.

    So even though it's therefore wrong to make shottenheimer the scapegoat, looks like ManJuduas is set to stab another friend and colleague in the back.
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    I was referring to this:

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pressbox/0,1328,3969965,00.html


    which is posted in another thread on this board.
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    Colt fan, but the point is, the first post in this thread detailed thoughts on Mangini, and his coaching prowess. Well, earlier today, someone poted the 2001 reference, where BB was ranked like 30th out of 32 coaches. The book on him at that time sounds similar to what they are saying about Mangini.
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    Just because some clown was wrong about Belichick doesn't mean that every clown is wrong about every coach. There are a lot more bad coaches than good ones; Belichick would be the exception, not the rule.

    That said, I see no actual indication that the Jets dislike Mangini, or that Mangini would actually throw Shottenheimer under the bus - that's all speculation on the part of the article writer.
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    Apparently, this has gone over your head.
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    Pete Prisco as your source? He should have wrote "I hate Bill Belichick so of course the playerss and media hate him too". This is a guy who predicted the winner of the Super Bowl in the 2004 season would be "anyone but the Patriots". Where is his proof. I never saw a single reporter intimate it or a player say anything publically. Jets player have both this year and last year made comments about Mangini though publically. It is well known that the Jets players didn't accept Mangini's coaching still which is more abrassive than Belichick.

    Besides, the Pats won a Super Bowl in Belichick's second year and the Jets aren't going to win the Super Bowl any time soon,
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    I think the comparison's valid, actually. And it serves to illustrate just how Mangini has gone wrong. He's tried to be a Belichick mini-me in his coaching style, but the style was never the point.

    BB succeeds, and he's a hardass. He doesn't succeed because he's a hardass. He succeeds because he works like mad, knows as much about football as anyone alive, and puts his players in position to win. Players buy in because he walks the walk. If you're a hardass without a winning gameplan, you're just a jerk.
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    Well, Pete Kendall spoke out against Mangini and his practices this preseason. A lot of players spoke on and off the record that they did not like Mangini's coaching during training camp of last year. That died down after they started to win though.

    Other than Terry Glenn, no one spoke out about Belichick in the first two years. The Pats players were in a different position though, a large portion of the team had a good deal of exposure to Belichick when he was the Assistant Head Coach during the 1996 season and they were more willing to buy into what he was selling. Very few Jets players had exposure to Mangini either playing under him with the Pats or his tenure with the Jets under Parcells. Beside, Mangini was a glorified peon the last time he was with the Jets.
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    Well, if you say so. :rolleyes:
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    The Title of the thread is "things could be getting worse for Mangini.....

    "More importantly, he can ill-afford to further cripple his already strained relationship with the team. Mangini’s authoritarian coaching style is detested by his players,"

    Which is similar to :


    "His players don't like him, the media doesn't like him, and his inflexibility is tiring."

    So, all I am saying is, things were not all rosy for BB in the early years, but he has succeeded. Mangini looks like he is in a similar boat.

    That's all, nothing more, nothing less. Just simply making a comparison.
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    Actually, there are big differences in coaching styles between Mangini and Belichick. People who have observed Jets practices have compared how Mangini runs practice more like Crennel and Parcells than Belichick. Mangini is far more hands on and abrassive in practices while Belichick is more stoic and allows his assistants more leeway to run their squads. Belichick is still a hardass, but he isn't in the players' faces like Mangini (or Crennel or Parcells are/were).

    I do admit if Belichick didn't win the Super Bowl either in 2001 or a year after, players would probably have turned on him. But the rumors that players hated the Pats was never like they are about Mangini.
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    You are going on one source by a known Patriots hater though. I have never seen a journalist actually say that there were actually rumblings that players did not like Belichick other than this one line with nothing to support it.

    I don't see the situations being the same. Belichick had a history with many of the Patriots players and brought in a lot of players from his Jets and Browns days who bought into what he has done. Mangini has no history with most of his players and has only brought in a small handful of former Patriots.

    Belichick put his players in a postion to succeed by even abandoning his beloved 3-4 defense. Mangini has refused to abandon the 3-4 eventhough it is putting his best players like Vilma, Ellis, and Robertson in positions to fail.

    Belichick gave a lot of leeway to Weis and Crennel and had a stern, but reserved demeanor. I don't know what leeway Mangini gives his assistants but by most accounts he is a yeller.

    When Belichick had problems with a player (Terry Glenn), he chose to remove him from the team rather than make him a distraction. Mangini chose to go on a petty vendetta against a problem player (Pete Kendall) making the situation worse and a distraction. Also, losing Glenn did not hurt the Patriots from winning the Super Bowl. By not paying Pete Kendall an extra $1 million, the Jets running game has been non-existent.

    I really don't think the situations are remotely the same. Belichick was far more savvy in 2001. He might have had similiar problems in Cleveland, but not in New England. That is where Mangini's lack of polishing and experience is hurting him.
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    You can't use rings earned as an assistant as justification to defend a guy as a head coach. Belichick certainly has the cache now but I remember quite vividly in the summer of 2001 - after only one year here - a lot of the local nitwits were calling for Belichcik to be fired.
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    That's fine too. But the article was posted in another thread, and the premise was, "my how things have changed", or "boy, how wrong he was". Who knows if this current report about Mangini is true either.
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    If you don't understand the difference between:
    "Mangini’s authoritarian coaching style is detested by his players"
    and
    "His players don't like him"

    Maybe you shouldn't be posting on this board. BB's players don't always like him, but they always respect his knowledge of the game and his ability to coach. It appears that Mangina's players aren't buying what he's selling.
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    Yeah, I think that's pretty clear. If the Pats went on a 0-4 run starting this weekend, I doubt we'd hear people calling for Belichick's head. He's proven himself in NE, and the players have already shown that they've got his back, no matter what.
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    You guys are absolutely loony. You don't listen to what I am saying, and you jump to presumptuous conclusions. Forget it, ok? It was a slight on BB, not a slight on NE, but THIS is a slight on YOU, because you have the brain of a newt. And if there is such a thing as a small newt, you would be it.
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    Two as a secondary coach and one as a DC who had play-calling duties suspended by his head coach.

    Adam Vinitieri has FOUR rings but that doesn't qualify him to be a head coach either.
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    This is hilarious!!!!!!

    Pete Prisco comment (don't miss the last sentence) on a FAN poll with:

    30. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots. His players don't like him, the media doesn't like him, and his inflexibility is tiring. So why is he back running an NFL team? It's because he's a great defensive coordinator who is from the Bill Parcells' tree. Belichick is a much better coordinator than head coach, which the Patriots will find out.

    This was written in June 2001. Prisco sure is clairvoyant, isn't he. Ha ha. That was the year before the Colts were thrown out of the division, so we played them twice in 2001. Anyone recall who won? :rofl: [b[Belichick is a much better coordinator than head coach, which the Patriots will find out. [/B]

    I'll give you one thing: the media still doesn't like him. Good thing the NFL doesn't assign W or L based on sucking up to the media :rofl:

    Thanks for the link. It is almost as good as the Ron Borges 2001 post-draft comment on how BB screwed up picking Seymour when David Terrell was available, and how BB followed that mistake up by taking Matt Light, who wasn't going to help any time soon.

    What a bunch of dufuses.
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