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    I want to do this without any of the Colts hate that I feel, so I waited a week to make sure that I could be objective. Having got that out of the way, I feel strongly that the Saints will win the Super Bowl, and here is why:

    Colts Offense vs the Saints Defense:

    The Colts will score points on the Saints defense. I think that they will score in the high 20's. The Saints defense do not have any elite players but have been built solid in all area's. Peyton is the Colts offense and is one of the best, if not the best, passing QB's of all time, so they will not shut him down. But all year long the Saints defense has been able to force turnovers and pressure the QB.

    I think that the Saints will force one or two turnovers and pressure and hit Peyton enough that it will wear on him towards the end of the game.

    Colts Defense vs the Saints Offense:

    The Colts defense is better than many of us give credit. But they will not be facing Mark Sanchez, Jim Flacco, or Rex Grossman. Drew Brees is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL. The Saints can match the Colts offensive weapons at every position. I think Thomas and Bush are the type of RB's that can hurt the Colts. The Saints should score in the 30's against the Colts defense.

    Special Teams:

    This is where the Saints have a huge advantage. I'm not predicting any ST's scores but they will give the Saints field good position. It would not surprise me if they take KP or punt to the house. The Colts ST's are just average and can give up the big play.

    Coaching:

    Sean Payton will be viewed as one of the top coaches in the NFL after this game. With 2 weeks to prepare, I think he puts together a winning game plan for the Saints. This is not a slight to Caldwell, Tom Moore, or any of he Colts coaches, I just think the Saints staff is better.

    Intangibles:

    The Saints did not play their best game last week against the Vikes and are lucky to be here. However, I think they will play their best game against the Colts and seem to be a team of destiny. Also, I think they are a better team to play outdoors should there be wind or rain Sunday.

    OK, tell me if you think I'm wrong about any of this without hurting my feelings.
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    Re: OT:The Saints WILL win the Super Bowl.

    I think the Saints will win, particularly if Freeney is limited. The Colts defense really becomes one-dimensional if he cannot go full steam, and the Saints offensive line is very, very good. I don't think Indy can stop all the weapons that New Orleans has.

    If New Orleans gets physical with Manning they will get a turnover or two, which will be the difference, and keep him from getting into a rhythm. He'll still get his points, but it's a different game.

    Saints 34, Colts 28.
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    Freeney's a huge part of what that defense does, so a lot now depends on his condition. The Colts run D was very impressive against the Ravens, and then the Jets in back-to-back games, so I'm not convinced the Saints can run on them.

    But the Saints offense is versatile, and I suspect that Brees will be changing the play depending on the defense out there. If it's a smaller package of DBs, they'll switch to the run, and if the big boys are out there, audible out to a pass. The ability to audible out would be better if Shockey's available, as he's a receiving threat and he's a pretty solid blocker as well.

    I think Payton should also watch footage of the Pats-Colts game, as the Pats offense was able to put up a lot of points and yards on the Colts, especially passing the ball in the first half. The safeties seemed to struggle when asked to play coverage, and the Saints have more quality receivers than the Pats to make the Colts pay.

    I'm really hoping for the Saints to win, though I admit Indy deserves to be favoured.
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    I'd love to see the Saints win in a blowout but I think it will be close.
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    I think the Saints will win also. It is destiny.
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    I am rooting for the Saints but I think the Colts are going to win this game.. way better D, Manning a QB... and they have more experience. Hopefully I have jinxed them with this post.
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    Count me as someone who will be rooting hard for the Saints, but thinks the Colts will win.

    My argument is.....

    Colts and Saints have similar defenses, both have little to no superstars (given no Bob Sanders or Dwight Freeny) but are EXTREMELY opportunistic defenses. I give this a push.

    The Saints and Colts both have excellent offenses, but the Saints have shown that they can be shut down in recent weeks. See last three games of regular season and the second half of the Vikings game.

    As much as I hate giving him props, Manning is, well, the "man". He is a true commander of the offense, and it does not matter that he is throwing to Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie. Think of how confident we were in the Pats offense when Tom Brady was throwing to guys like Deion Branch, David Givens, and David Patten. Though the other team would boast more stars, the Pats would find a way to win, much like the Colts are rolling right now. Throughout the season I have been pointing out the Colts flaws and finding reasons why they would lose their next game. Well, it hasn't come (Jets and Bills games don't count). Why should I think that it is gonna come now?
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    Oh, and the REAL reason why the Colts will win the Super Bowl:

    BECAUSE FOOTBALL HATES ME!


    I feel like I sold my soul to the devil in order for the Pats to win three Super Bowls. After all, since that SB39 win, the following teams have won......

    Steelers (absolutely LOATHE this team)
    Colts (hate this team)
    Giants (at the devastating expense of the Pats, and bye bye perfect season)
    Steelers (again, absolutely LOATHE this team, I want to invent a new adjective for Extreme Hate to describe my feelings toward them)


    so the Colts will probably win to continue this rotten trend
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    pulling for the saints but have to stop manning for 60mins not 59 and thats where most teams crumble .The colts offense is relentless and manning threat looms with few secs left so unless manning has a bad day saints wont be able to keep up i think
    it could end up like the phl/ne SB. everyone pulling for phl. phl making a game but the result never in doubt.
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    Destiny? I believe that was the term used in 07. How'd that work out :eek:
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    My friends told me that the Saints are guaranteed to lose because the media is using the words 'destiny' and 'path to destiny'.


    And you're right. Destiny fails most often than not. See NYG@GB NFCCG 07, the game the packers just refused to die on till Favre'd. For further reading; 2007 SB.
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    The Saints are going to LOSE the Superbowl. Hate to say it but I have to. The Saints have Superbowl LOSERS written all over them.

    They plan on having a post Superbowl parade win or lose. They did everything possible to let the Vikings win the NFC Championship. The Saints remind me of the '85 Pats. "They are happy just to be there."
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    Yep...I'm afraid that I have to agree with you.

    New Orleans had yet another celebration of the Saints being in the SB yesterday with a parade and thousands in attendance. In the last decade, the only team that just vaguely rivals the Saints for the "happiest just to be there" award was the Eagles, for whom the SB was a week long party with a game at the end...and we know how that turned out.

    I hope I'm wrong as i detest the dolts, but this has blowout written all over it...
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    I'm rooting for the Saints, but in all reality, I just don't see it.

    1) Freeney and Mathis are horrible matchups for Saints OTs Bushrod/Stinchcomb.

    2) Gregg Williams runs a 4-3, and NOT a 3-4 blitzing scheme - these types of Ds don't give Manning and the Colts O fits.

    3) Saints have trouble stopping the run - Colts may not be a running team, but it's usually in these big games when their RBs will rise to the occassion(like in their last SB).

    4) Jabari Greer is one of the best shutdown corners in the league, but Porter/Jenkins are their weak links in the backfield.

    I do agree that I think the Saints can score points against the Colts depleted secondary - this Colts unit has played very well, but they haven't exactly been tested either. But again, if the other matchups don't bode well, I don't see the Saints winning this.
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    God I hope you're right. If Indy wins that leaves 2 Steeler SB's, 2 Colts SB's, and 18-1 in the last 5 seasons... can it really get any worse than that for season enders??
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    OTOH - Manning is a New Orleanean native - pt being that HIS HEART could be with his city when playing this Super Bowl, and may not come out with much passion.

    And also, we just can't predict the course of events in a game - for example, when we played the Steelers in 1995, the Steelers looked like they had control of the game, they had our DL worned down, they picked up our offensive schemes and we had no answer for it, until O'Donnell forgot how to communicate with his receivers. I'll be honest and say to this day, I still have no idea how we won that game. If the Steelers didn't have jitters to start the game, they would have won by double digits(our first 13 pts came b/c their D played out of position).

    So who knows?
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    Dont see it either but i sure will be rooting for the Saints!!Brees has put up video game numbers last couple of seasons!
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    Ahhh I remember that game. It was tough for me to root for Dallas those days but since it was the Steelers I just had to.

    I def wouldn't mind the Colts losing this game in a similar fashion :)
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    One thing that gives me hope for the Saints is that most people don't think they have a chance and the Saints know that. Don't underestimate people who have the right motivation... ;)
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    Ok so I was wrong about that one. It does not mean I am wrong about this one.
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    Isn't the OP of this thread the SAME GUY who made a thread 2 weeks ago before the divisional playoffs,stating the Jets and Colts were to LOSE those games?

    You are putting BAD karma on our hopes,man :cool: ;)
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    Yes I did. And I'm sticking to it.:rocker:

    I got my bad out of the way early so now I can't be wrong.
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    If Freeney were healthy, I would pick the Colts to win by 2 touchdowns. Without Freeney, I think this game is a toss up.

    The Colts blew out the Saints two years ago, in large part bc Freeney dominated Jammal Brown. They have Bushrod now, who may be the worst left tackle in football. With his speed and power, you couldn't draw up a player better than Freeney to exploit Bushrod.

    Due to his lack of height, Brees isn't as good dealing with the pass rush as Brady or Manning is. He struggles seeing downfield and starts backpeddling, which is why he fumbles a lot. But when he isn't rushed hard, Brees is extremely accurate and throws the ball downfield as good as anyone. His arm strength is underrated.

    A Colts defense with Freeney is just about designed to stop the Saints. They live and die by the big play, the Colts scheme is designed to stop that with their speed. Bush would be overmatched going up against the Colts' speed, just like he is when he faces most good defenses in the NFL. They have historically had problems with the Cover 2 since Brees has gotten there, including losing to the Bears three straight years.

    But without Freeney, the Colts' defensive coordinator is actually going to have to scheming to stop an opposing passing game, which is something they are not used to.
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    heh...could've predicted the preceding post in my sleep

    scared to death and ALREADY setting up the alibi...how can Indy be in the "heartland" when their fans have so little heart?
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    This is funny because I made a topic (on a different board) very similar to this a few weeks ago and we seem to have the same exact thoughts:

    Topic: Will this be another evil season?

    Here are my top 5 most hated teams

    1. Colts
    2. Any team with Brett Favre on it.
    3. Jets
    4. Steelers
    5. Chargers (I actually had to root for the Chargers yesterday by default . . *shudders* Sad)

    2005 Steelers won the Superbowl
    2006 Colts won the Super
    2007 Giants won the Superbowl and ruined our perfect season
    2008 Steelers won the Superbowl


    2009 Now we have:

    The Colts
    The Favres
    The Jets
    The Saints

    It looks like this will be another kick in the crotch season for ol' InRodWeRust. As if the offseason isn't bad enough this just adds salt to the wound. It looks like the odds are against them but I'm going to be the biggest Saints fan the next few weeks.
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    Love how most Colts fans believe the Saints are just not that touph. Even thou the Saints offense, being #1 and with the hardest schedule of all the teams in playoffs, has way out performed the Colts #9 offense. Im guessing the Colts #18 ranked defense is just going to be to much for our poor midget QB, damn if he only had 3 more inches we might have a shot.

    I dont think you understand, the media might have us all but dead, but there is no better indicator of who will win then C.A.T. scoring spec's.

    YouTube - Cats Pick Saints to Win 2010 Super Bowl

    if you don't fear this team is really boarders on silly.
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    I do respect them. They are my 2nd favorite team in the league besides the Colts.

    But I've also watched them enough to know who they are. They have a left tackle who can't block anyone, and would have been overmatched. They are a big play team going against a defense with a lot of speed. Brees' efficiency away from the Superdome don't match his home numbers, which is in contrast to Manning who has arguably played better on the road. They have struggled against the Cover 2 since Brees got there. They haven't been the same offense since Shockey got hurt, even losing at home to the Bucs with homefield advantage on the line.

    But without Freeney, all bets are off bc the dropoff is going from the best pass rusher of the decade, to a guy who shouldn't even be in the NFL in Keyunta Dawson.
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    its Freeney below Allen the same guy who we stuffed, and if you look on this list isn't smith #5. I think you better worry more than me, smith isn't hurt, and he will get to manning.

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    see thats the problem Im seeing with the colts,,, way over confident. They dont even know our players or like manning bother to say Sharper first name right. Jamie ?
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    All Manning does is watch film. I can guarantee you that he knows quite well that Sharper's name is Darron; that was just an interview slip-up. Far more is being made of it than it should.

    I'm not as dire about the loss of Freeney. It hurts a little, but it's not the game-changer everyone is making it out to be (if he does indeed miss the game). The Colts will still find ways to pressure Brees.

    I'm interested to see which Saints show up on Sunday; the 1st half of season/Cards game Saints, or the last half/Vikes/Brees rattled Saints.

    It should be a pretty good, high-scoring game...
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    na, I agree with you on that, but you do know now sharper is a little tic'ed.

    Problem is if the #1 offense shows , no one can stop it, thats a huge problem for the #9 offense. How is the #18 defense in the NFL going to rattle us? Not trying to be mean,but common, be serious, your secondary is not good, and ours is pretty damn good. Greer has Revis #'s, what are you going to do when we hit you? Run #32 common now.

    I would admit if a better team was facing us, and I did, ask these guys, but your not better than us and if your team believes that you have a big problem, thing is I believe your team does, and the media does also, all against the stats, dude the colts are the underdogs and I dont think they know it yet.

    Truth is we are the #1 offense by a large margin with a #10 ranked defense #1 in takeaways. Al respect to you , here here to win
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