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  1. NovaScotiaPatsFan

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    A Better Way to Decide Overtime in the N.F.L. - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com

    So what happens if they both pick the same number, or they both pick 1, then 2, then 3, and so on?

    OT Needs fixing, but IMHO this is a stupid solution.
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    For me it's just first to 7 points. That would make OT more exciting in my opinion. I hate seeing OT being decided by a field goal.
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    Let's not make it a game show. How bout, let the other team have the ball if the team that gets the ball first scores. After that, tough luck. That way if the 1st team gets a fg. The 2nd team can win it with a td. If the first team gets a td, they can always go for 2.
    If not, kick again and stop them.
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    Let's amke a deal...It's football..need something that is more about the game that gives each team a shot...two 5 min periods..only 1 TO...so ecah has a chance to win...if it's tied after that THAT is the way it is..
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    I like the idea of first to 6 points wins. 1 TD or 2 FGs.
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    Patjew... you need to be on the competition committee and write all the rules.

    I like this suggestion.... a lot.
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    You choose to kick, or start at your own ten.
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    I like the idea, but it doesn't help those hopeless, "nobody want it" games.
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    So let it be written...
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    Maybe 2 criteria, either first to 6 or whoever is leading after the end of the OT quarter.
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    Really; Get rid of ot and let it end in a tie. If neither team can win it in 60 minutes, so be it. It will all sort out at the end of the season, when that tie may keep a team out of the playoffs. That should be enough incentive to go for the win, instead of take a knee to get to ot.
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    Or 3 safeties. :p
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    Agree. The first to six or seven points idea still puts the kicking team at a disadvantage. Each team should have the ball at least once.
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    Yes, I agree.
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    Perfect. Much as I love game theory cleverness (Mr. Patchick and I once held a silent auction to determine how many loads of laundry we'd be willing to do to get out of a particularly loathsome chore), your approach is clean and simple.

    Edit: though I've always thought that a super-easy improvement would be just taking away the opening kickoff. Offset the first-possession advantage by making the coinflip winner start at their own 5 or 10.
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    This is like 'silver goal' in 'soccer'

    Extra time is two 15minutes in 'soccer', and if a team scores in the first 15minutes and is leading after the 15, they win.

    But if the other team score aswell in the first 15, they play the second 15.

    So that would work. If team A scores a TD in OT, team B must equal that in OT and stop team A from scoring again for a draw, or score more for the win.
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    I still prefer sudden death in OT.

    But instead of the coin flip, the team that wins the TOP in the game, gets to receive kickoff.
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    Either of these would be fine with me. The NYT proposal is silly, and would definitely make it more of a gameshow. That'd be as ridiculous as having two guys chase a football to determine the kick-off...oh...
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    On the flip side one could argue the team that's had the ball for *less* time deserves it first.
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    Great idea by the NYT, but I don't think it goes far enough. They should hire a professional auctioneer and the head coaches should sit down with those little paddles.
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    I vote for a 15 min OT continuation after regular time. No sudden death but the full 15 min OT to decide the victor. In the OT period teams will be given a choice to kick a single point convert after a TD or to try for a 3 point convert. The goal here is to entice going for 3's in order to not end up with typical tied scores. If the teams still remain tied after the 15 min of OT then BOTH teams forfeit a previous win for being uncooperative, going in the hole if needed ;)
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    I agree completely. The only time that Overtime is appropriate is in the playoffs. In that situation, simply play for the full 15 minutes, rather than sudden death scoring. If, at the end of OT, both teams are tied, then decide it with a coin toss between the two coaches.

    respects,
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    Why don't they simply keep the game going ... switching sides like they do between quaters ... play the entire 15 minutes ... 2 time outs each and no challenges.
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    Silent auction?!? That isalmost as stupid as the NY Post's idea of playing a game of Musical Chairs to determine who gets the ball first.
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    Not really. Academically, auctions are a very efficient way to distribute goods and services as it perfectly matches a price point in which the producer and consumer surplus is nearly zero - although the winner's curse will cause the winning bidder to pay X more than the second highest bid in a secret auction. In your example, musical chairs is akin to a coin flip (both are chance events) so you are ultimately (and ironically) making a smug and sarcastic suggestion that is ultimately just as good as an idea than the one implemented now.

    The auction on the other hand awards the ball to the team that places the highest value on it (inversely correlated to field position start) which is the fairest way to do it.
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    Just go the XFL rules. Put the ball on the 50 and each team has a player start at his goalline whoever gets it gets the ball. Thats less stupid than an auction.
    I see 2 choices that I would agree with.
    1) Eliminate OT
    2) Keep the rules the same
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    That's a pretty solid idea.

    As for this auction, leave it up to the New York Times to come up with something like this. I still prefer the College OT rules because I think they are more exciting, but the injury level that could/would be sustained by using that in an NFL game is convincing enough not to adopt it. A playoff game, one which a victor MUST be decided, using that system would be absolute murder on the winning team.
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    How about we do like hockey does and have a shootout. Each QB stands at the 50 yard line and has a receiver run to the end zone being covered by a DB. You have a lineman count to 5 before rushing the passer so the QB has a limited to pass. Each team gets five tries. The team with the most TDs gets a point and wins the game.

    I know this is stupid, but not as stupid as having this auction. The shootout is the worst thing to happen to hockey. Just have them play te whole 15 minute quarter. If it is still tied, then it is a tie.
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    Leave it to New York to make a stupid suggestion. Sounds more like they want to decide the outcome of OT to be more like a game show. I wonder how many people will actually take this idea seriously.
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