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  1. italia44

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    ......For covering up Brett Favre's bicep's injury last year.

    ......New Jersey Must Pay!!!!

    (been dying to post this since the witch hunt of spygate).

    .......this is a goof....
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    If they're going to start taking away draft picks for covering up injuries, we might as well not show up to the next 5 drafts.
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    Wrong forum.
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    ...............it's a goof....wanted New Jersey lurkers to see thread title......
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    why should New Jersey guys pay and not New Yorkers? :confused:
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    the former NY Jets,will heretofore be always known as the:
    NEW JERSEY JETS......per order of the Football Gods
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!


    In

    Mangini did nothing wrong, LOL.
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    #12 Jersey

    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    There are at least two forums that this thread would be better-suited for.
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    And then they take a #1 away from NE because Maroney wasn't listed on the injury report when his shoulder was busted. Got it.
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    except Maroney was listed. Nice try.
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    Pats Hid Maroney's Broken Shoulder

    Posted by Mike Florio on May 17, 2009 7:59 AM ET
    After months of silence regarding the precise nature of the shoulder injury that caused him to land on injured reserve last season, Patriots running back Laurence Maroney has opted to speak out about his condition.

    And, in so doing, he has revealed that the team concealed it.

    "I had a broken bone and I was trying to play with it," Maroney said Saturday before teammate Kevin Faulk's charity softball game, according to Christopher Gasper of the Boston Globe.

    As Gasper explains, Maroney injured the shoulder in Week Two against the Jets, skipped the Week Three game against the Dolphins, and then returned to action against the 49ers, after a Week Four bye.

    But his name did not appear anywhere on the injury report for the Week Five game against San Francisco.

    The message? He was completely healthy.

    The reality? He was anything but.

    "It's kind of hard to sit here and play and not tell people what is going on," Maroney said. "Everybody is going to think one way because they don't really know what's going on. I dare anybody in this crowd to play football with a broken bone in your shoulder and you tell me how long you're going to last out there."

    In explaining that he was frustrated by the perception that he lacks toughness, Maroney made it even more clear that there was an effort to keep the injury hidden.

    "Reporters have a job to report stories, whether it's good or bad," Maroney said. "I can't get mad at them because they're just doing their job. It was my job not to say nothing at the time."

    After the Week Five game against San Fran, Maroney was placed on injured reserve.

    In fairness to the Patriots, the team listed him as "questionable" with a shoulder injury for the Week Three game that he missed. But the broader context created the perception that, by Week Five, the situation had resolved.

    So now the question is whether the franchise that listed Tom Brady for years as "probable" with a shoulder injury no one believed he had will face any penalty from the league office for not listing Maroney as "probable" or worse when his shoulder was flat-out fractured.

    If it were any other team, we'd be fairly confident that no action would be taken. But given the Patriots' history of being caught palms flat at the bottom of the cookie jar regarding the whole videotaping of defensive coaching signals thing and in light of the stern finger-wagging the franchise received in the aftermath thereof, the league might decide that the time has come to make an example out of them, again.

    This time around, however, the Jets also should be nailed, given that the injury to Brett Favre's arm/shoulder that has him now contemplating surgical options was never disclosed for the final games of the 2008 season, during which the injury supposedly was causing him to throw the ball to the guys on the other team.
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    The patiots injury reports disagree:


    Patriots - Dolphins Injury Report - 9/19/2008


    Laurence Maroney: Questionable - Shoulder- Did not participate in practice.
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    Chowda: The fact that a player has an injury is different from putting him on the injury report. Originally there just out, doubtful, questionable, and probable, which equated to zero percent, 25%, 50% and 75% chance of playing. Now on top of that you report on whether a player missed all or portions of a team's practice that week.

    So if a team was sure a player was going to play in a game and he participated in the team's practices, he does not go on the injury report. And that is exactly what happened with Maroney.

    People talk about Brady being probable every week for years, but if he misses even just a portion of a practice then he goes on the report.

    In other words, Belichick and the Pats are filling out the reports just as they are supposed to be - despite what rumor-mongers like PFT publish.
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    He played in that game. He didn't miss any practices that week. Hence, not on the injury report.
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    Brett Farve played too, what's your point.

    Do you not understand your hypocrisy? Farve played the last 5 games but was not listed on the injury report when he should have been. Maroney was the same deal.
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    I remember reading a lot of Jets fans getting up in arms last year when the Pats failed to put Maroney on the injury report one week of four or five week stretch before they IRed him. They complained that Belicheat was at it again and that they should suspend him.

    Personally, I don't give a crap about the injury report, but it sure is fun to check out all the hypocrites on the Jets boards today.
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    I don't think it is a big deal in either case, but if you want to see hypocrites I want to direct you to Jetsinsider.com and Thegangreen.com and there are plenty.

    The same people complaining that the Jets are being fined for this infraction were calling for Belichick to get suspended when the Maroney story broke.
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    Both franchises should be fined, enough with the petty BS, it's just an old tired act from Belichick and his deciples.
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    I agree the Jets fans should end this petty BS. Glad as a Jet fan, you have at least a brain cell or two to see their hypocrisy.

    P.S. I did actually get the gist of your post, I just think it is more applicable to Jets fans.

    Personally, I could care less about this story. Virtually every team plays games with the injury report. I just think it is funny to watch Jets fans to change their tune when it is the Jets under the microscope rather than the Pats.
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    I am a Pats fan but hate sounding like a mindless fanboy, which is why I don't completely disagree with you, but I also don't completely agree.

    In fairness to the Pats, they put him on the report for week 3, he didn't play, he rested in week 4. It's quite possible they felt it wasn't an issue by week 5, but realized it was after the game so they IR'd him.

    That being said, it's likely they knew and tried to slip it by for a week, but it is strange they would put him on the report and then remove him. Usually they'd do something in reverse and try to get by as long as possible before putting him on the list.

    Favre otoh was playing week to week, clearly injured, and it wasn't on the report. I don't really think the two situations are very similar tbh.
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    Re: OT:Take Number One Away From Jets!!!

    .....thanks for stopping by
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    Point being Belichick has done this for years, the Maroney case is just one of many. From Parcells to Belichick to Mangini and now McDaniels, they all feel the need to hide these injuries for whatever reason.

    To me it's silly and it hurts the players (Maroney had a legit beef)... The league should start taking away draft picks so it will eventually end, $10,000 is nothing to an NFL franchise.
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    Yea, i'm not defending BB completely, I know he's notorious for not being honest with his injury report.

    However, i'm not sure it's that big of a deal, is it? I mean isn't the list there mostly for vegas?
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    From Parcells to Belichick to Mangini and now McDaniels..... and let's not forget Cowher, Dungy, and Shanahan and about every coach in the league. So many teams have had shady dealings with the

    I do agree it hurts players and when I mean players I mean the players in the casinos in Vegas and illegal sports gambling. How was Maroney hurt by this? I do agree by excluding him from the injury report didn't give the opposing team the heads up not to hit him in the shoulder. Because that happened.

    The injury report was instituted for sports gambling. Plain and simple. Taking away draft pick for cheating the injury report would do away with the draft because most teams cheat the report. It has no bearing on anything in terms on how a team prepares for a game.

    Your proposal is great though. If they start taking away draft picks for injury report ommissions, it will be a matter of weeks before every team has 53 players on their injury report every day.

    My proposal is if a team gets caught cheating on an injury report, they are banned from issuing an injury report the following week. That will teach them.
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    Maroney stinks in my eyes but the reputation of a player can take a big hit when playing injured and that was point about Maroney.

    Farve for instance was getting skewered by fans and media for his late season collapse, if they knew about the injury they wouldn't have had any ammunition to kill the guy.
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    First, even if the Pats didn't ommit him from the injury list, they wouldn't have disclosed he had a broken bone in his shoulder.

    Second, they never give details about injured players even if they are on IR.

    Third, nowhere in the NFL rulebook does it say the Pats had to disclose that he had a broken bone in his shoulder. All they have to disclose is whether he practiced or not, where his injury is located, and the likelihood of him playing in the game.

    Fourth, Maroney was IRed a week later. So, it was clear his injury was pretty severe since there was still 2/3 of a season left when they did.

    Fifth, now that it has been disclosed that he had a significant injury and that it was in fact a broken bone, perceptions about Maroney hasn't changed. His haters still say he is made of glass and dogs it. How exactly was he hurt.

    Sixth, perceptions of Favre hasn't changed now either that his injury has been disclosed. How was he hurt?
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    I have certainly changed my opinion of Farve. He had the Jets at 8-3 and was playing very well, then all of sudden the guy goes Vinny Testeverde and starts throwing 3 picks a game. If I knew his shoulder was busted I would have understood.

    And then there's always the case of worsening an injury, that never helps a player.
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    How does that help the team win games? What teams are making personell decisions based on the fans and media's perception of them?
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    And if Mangini obeyed the rules, all you would have known is that Favre was probable or doubtful with an arm injury. You wouldn't have known he had a torn rotator cuff or whatever he had.

    How exactly would putting Favre on the injury report prevent himfrom getting injured worse? That makes no sense. If anything it could increase the chance of injury because players will hit an injured player in the injured area at times to distract them (note I didn't say they take cheap shots at the player). Aren't you and your fellow Jets fans saying that players are gonna go for Brady's knee?
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