Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by Disco Volante, Feb 6, 2010.
Student says he was sent home over Indianapolis Colts jersey - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN
should of let him stay in school so he could get his butt kicked instead
At first, I thought he was one of those wanna-be rebel kids that did it to piss others off, but turns out he moved there from Indy and is a legit fan. This story was also on Fark.com with a great headline:
Great way to win new friends, boy. (Actually sounds like a special-needs child with such poor judgment.) And his parents also prove their allegiance to Polian's Ponies by whining to a higher authority. Classic stuff.
The polls indicate the school was being ridiculous, did they even read the story??? The school actually has uniforms and they made an exception for black and gold that day. It's not just some regular public school where everybody can wear whatever they want. So really the kid was breaking the rules, if I read that correctly. Plus he was foretold that he would get in trouble for wearing blue.
Good, they had a Black and Gold Day, not a regular dress down day so the idiot should have been sent home. You dont want to wear Black and Gold then wear your uniform. If you reall want to support the Colts, wear a hat, at least you can take it off.
You can't be serious.
This is what the principal said: "If you like Indiana so much, why don't you go back?''
Now I know they only spend 1/3rd per child in the La. school system that they pay up north, but seriously, shouldn't a $40k principal's job yield better quality than that?
First of all, the kid said he "thinks" the principal said something like that. Second, I'm not defending that quote if it is true, but the kid should have been punished, period. He broke a rule.
I live in Manhattan and my kid has, for some reason unknown to me , decided that Tom Brady is his favorite NFL player. He occasionally wears #12's Jersey to school on casual Friday. Suggesting that he should be assaulted for this is not humorous.
You're serious? I think of you as a thoughtful Poster...but, you really mean that?
Do I think he should have been punished? Yes, unless I'm reading the article wrong. The school has a uniform policy and loosened it for a 'black and gold' day. The kid wore blue, that's against policy. A few days before this happened, a teacher warned him he would get in trouble for wearing blue, and the kid was still defiant.
It's not comparable to the situation you brought up with your son, who has a casual Friday where having the Brady jersey is all within the rules.
I think the kid was acting in the great American tradition of defending his right not to go along with the majority by exercising his right to freedom of expression.
In this case, he was presented with two options: wear his regular uniform or wear "Black and Gold." He felt that these options limited him in an unfair fashion by forcing him not to express strongly held sentiments in support of the Colts Franchise.
Brandon Frost chose the path of civil disobedience, bearing the full brunt of authority's crackdown (a little humorous overstatement before someone cites it), in this case a dreaded call out by the Principal.
Frost apparently complied under duress and is now seeking remedies to his standing and reputation. The scenario would only have been better if he had seated himself in the Principal's office and refused to remove the Jersey! What would they have done then? Had the local police evict him? Strip him? Oh man, what a story that would have been!
How can people in New England, the hotbed of a revolution that was fought for those very rights, not understand and support that.
You rock, Brandon Frost!
The next time your idiot principal declares "Black and Gold" day, fashion a Colts insignia out of Black and Gold and wear it to school; let's see what happens then.
See my post above (#12 in this thread). It's a little tongue in cheek, but I stand by the principle on the principal.
I definitely see where you're coming from as far as taking a stand. But at the same time, you do the crime you pay the time, he knew there will be consequences for what he did.
"special-needs"...can you be more specific? Are you implying some sort of mental impairment? Or perhaps you are suggesting he is color-blind? What exactly are you suggesting? Be specific.
Have we come to this? When someone who dares to differ from the herd has his mental or physical capacities questioned by someone who has never met him and knows nothing about him beyond a few words in an article?
As for his parents appealing to a "higher authority," I'm not sure what you mean. They have every right to defend their son's right to express himself without undue consequences to himself. He apparently obeyed when asked to remove the jersey, now they are exploring whether his standing in the school or on his transcript will somehow be damaged by this. I'd do that for my kid.
I'm no flaming liberal, but after reading a few comments in this thread, unless they receive an apology, I hope his parents team up with the ACLU, get Amici briefs from people as diverse as Floyd Abrams and Ted Olson and places like CATO and the Tea Party, and sue the school for impairing speech, humiliating their son and whatever else a bunch of very liberal and very conservative lawyers (who tend to see issues like this in the same way) can conceive on a pro-bono basis. The school is probably strapped for money, so they should sue for $1.00, just to make their point.
[Ian, this is probably now more a political thread than anything else, so you should probably move it.]
This post sums up the caliber of homers that have taken over this board.
As an adult living in "enemy territory" sometimes I get crap about wearing Pats gear in public but I laugh it off and deal with it...I look at it as showing support for my team and representing my region.
I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a kid being the only Colts fan in a sea of Saints supporters, if anything it displayed a poor lack of judgement among the staff of the High School...they should have either let everyone wear whatever NFL gear they wanted that day (most would have been Saints for obvious reasons) or just put a "Go Saints" banner in front of the school to show support, I passed by a couple thousand "Go Colts" signs yesterday (Ugh!) and while I understand the excitement of this region as well as that region in this day and age of supposed equality the school made a mistake.
It had nothing to do with black and gold vs. blue as accepted dress codes and EVERYTHING to do with supporting the Saints in their hopeful defeat of the Colts.
Anyone here saying that the kid got what he deserved would be singing another tune if a kid who moved from Brockton was wearing his Welker jersey in a Pats/Saints Superbowl and frankly speaking on behalf of all of us who show our team support OUTSIDE of the region it takes a lot more guts when you're not in the majority!
Still...Go Saints!!! I would dearly love to see how fast the local Colts signs go down this year!:rocker:
A. The Principal copped to the quote.
B. A rule? A rule that you can wear Saints clothing? Come on!!!
This is patently unAmerican.
If you're going to go corporate (and that's what the NFL is, a corporation) by allowing people to show their support of one entity of this monopolistic corporation, then you have opened the doors to support of other teams.
The principal--based on his own quotes and his bias--has a brain that is incapable of grasping such nuances, and I would be far more concerned about the quality of education at that school if I were a parent, than I would be with dress codes.
getting sent home early from a school where decisions like that are made is hardly a punishment
also how do you not get banned or something for suggesting the kid was mentally impaired for wearing a piece of clothing
Agreed, if the pats were in the sb and this was a pats jersey, that poster would be singing a different tune.
Another false assumption, just like the guy calling me a 'homer' for having the opinion I do (which is doubly funny/ironic because I was called a 'frontrunner' in the Manning-Brady thread for saying Manning would be ahead if he won Sunday). The kid broke a rule, I don't care what jersey he was wearing. You can agree or disagree with me but pulling the 'homer' card is a weak argument especially if you've read my posts.
Look, I live in enemy territory too. I got eggs thrown at me and several people getting my face for wearing Patriots gear to Heinz field a few years ago. But if my school was like this one, I'd either just wear my regular uniform or wear my Pats stuff and accept whatever punishment for it. Those are your options, live with it.
that 'rule' is a horrible infringment on that child's civil liberties, so calling the aclu in this case was a smart idea on the parents part. punishing people over sports is really over the line in any context
How's what I said UnAmerican. If you want to take your stand, go for it. But accept the consequences. If the kid becomes an icon and there is a mass revolution in the south for allowing clear breaches of the uniform code, great for him!
Ok, I used sweeping terms like "Everyone" when I wasn't refering to your posts and for that I semi-apologize, I think I was more against anyone suggesting that the kid should get punched in the face more than anything and that's just absurd!
Maybe I'm putting more into this than I should but I'm just trying to put myself into the place of this kid and seeing the injustice of it..I can guarantee you that his classmates all knew the kid was from Indiana and I can visualize a school full of kids supporting something you're not supporting and then being encouraged to show their support without being allowed to show your own. The encouragement and then the censorship of opposing viewpoints is nothing I'd want kids taught in a public school system. (I'm not even sure if it was a public school, to be honest).
Anyways sorry about the eggs at Heinz and if you'll excuse me I'll wipe a little egg off my own face now.....
The school has a dress code. You can wear the uniform - or, on that one day, wear black and gold. He disagreed with the rule and chose the path of civil disobedience. Considering he knew the rule and had been warned beforehand, the student and his father knew their would be consequences. At that point he had the option to change his shirt, but chose to go home instead.
While I don't care for the one and only option other than the uniform, the family knew the rules. If they felt so strongly as to get the ACLU involved, why couldn't they take the time to meet with the principal ahead of time and plead their case?
To me this is more of an example of people being overly sue-happy than denial of freedom to express yourself.
In hindsight they probably should have let the student wear the Colt's jersey just to avoid the media distraction and legal fees. The problem is they were backed into a corner; they had already made the rule and warned him it would be enforced. If they did nothing it sends a message that their rules mean nothing and can be broken without repercussion.
As for freedom of expression, I don't see how it applies. I'd like to express myself by wearing Pats gear to work every day, but the dress code doesn't allow for that. But as soon as I leave work I'm free to express myself however I want.
Oh I definitely agree with you here. The first few posts in the thread are a bit over the top. But I think they were joking (I hope they were).
I see the point you guys are trying to make I just don't think sports is really worth bowling over authority to make a point like this. If it was something religion related like saying you can wear your Kufi today but not your Yamaka then I could see that. I hope that doesn't spark another discussion here but just an example
It's not a stand to ask that your rights be respected. Allowing Saints jerseys and disallowing Colts jerseys isn't a rule, it's just jackarseity.
If the principal made a rule that said, kids formerly from Indiana need to spend lunchtime in a bathroom stall, would you follow it? This rule is not as loony as that but it's close.
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