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Popularity Contest: Big O versus SportsGuy

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    SportsGuy jabs WEEI - Boston Herald

    I've heard this alluded to on air, but didn't really follow it all.


    I might express my displeasure with EEI from time to time, but Ordway is way better at his job than SportsGuy. For years now, I have been saying its a disgrace SportsGuy tries to rep Boston sports. Not only does he know nothing about any sport in particular, he's grown so out of touch with Boston sports.

    I hope Big O buries SportsGuy, at least in the local market. So far, looks like SportsGuy is coming off as a child. Big-O might not be my favorite sports host, but he seems like a decent enough guy, and I'm glad he's taking the high road.
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    I heard Simmons on Felgers show bash The Big Show.....

    I don't think I have ever nodded my head up and down more.

    Simmons was spot on. Loved it

    I'm amazed that show is still on the air. Bunch of dumb animals on that show.
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    Both guys are/have been being idiots in this. Listening Simmons on 98.5 was funny, but embarrassing for him. Even Felger tried to warn him that even if he is right, he is going to look really bad in this.

    Ordway, for his part, has been petty and vicious over the years towards Simmons for any criticism no matter how valid Simmons has made of his show. Ordway baited Simmons into his meltdown by trashing him on the airwaves last week.

    Ordway was smart enough to take the high road after Simmons had his meltdown (hence why he is more media savvy than Simmons), but he has gotten down and dirty on this feud about as much as Simmons. The difference is Ordway is a broadcast media guy who is more exposed to what media feuds are like and knows how to approach them with some savvy. Simmons is a print guy and not used to public feuds other than with guys like Gregg Easterbrook who has some real personality issues himself.
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    Simmons' column is the biggest page-view drawer on the biggest brand in sports' website.

    More individual people read each of Simmons' columns than will likely ever hear Ordway's voice in their life.

    Simmons just wrote a book that reached #1 on the Times' best-seller list.

    Considering that attracting readers/listeners is their job, I think it's a simple, demonstrable fact that Simmons is far, far better at it than Ordway.
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    I agree even though it was a rant, it was a very accurate assessment of the Big Show. But doing it make him look like an arse. So eventhough he was right about the Big Show and Ordway, he came off worse. Granted it was compelling radio listening to him.
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    Simmons is the most read columnist at ESPN, which is sports highest rated web site. Ordway is a local radio guy at WEEI, so it is Ordway who is dominated on the famous scale. Simmons has been feuding with Ordway since his days at Boston.com before it became the Globe. Ordway treated him badly according to Simmons, he won't let it go. Payback can be a ***** Glen.
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    I heard the segment. Simmons came off like a whiny, tempermental little biatch, which is apparently what he's increasingly become over the years. Huge ego for a guy who got nothing but opionions to hang his hat on, voice for print (gives Mazz a run for his money...). The funny part was Felger alternately lapping it up for his own ratings and trying to talk him in off the bridge burning ledge. Felgie knows when all else fails, Glen will still find a place for you to feed your family in between failed gigs...

    FWIW, Glen is exactly right, pot and kettle.
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    Agreed. Simmons may be more credible, but Big O came across like the accused defending himself- which is exactly what he should do.

    I know it's a quasi long standing feud of sorts but what touched Simmons off to start this whole thing?
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    Last week on the Big Show they were trashing Simmons for all his columns over the years where he was critical of WEEI and specifically the Big Show. He was supposed to go on the Big Show for an olive branch thing and they canceled on him the last minute. Apparently, Simmons felt they were screwing with him since he is an ESPN guy and can only go on local radio on WEEI. Simmons did find a loophole in that ESPN allows him to go on any radio station if he is promoting his book and not ESPN.
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    Actually, that's not how it happened.
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    Felgie doesn't have to worry about Glenn giving him a place for him to feed his family. Felger and Mazz were third in the Boston radio market for afternoon drive right behind the Big Show at second for the month of October. Felger won't have to looking for a new radio job for a long, long while at this rate.

    Felger has decided not to take shots at Ordway though. It seems that even when callers call in and trash WEEI, most of the Sports Hub are trying to take the high road. Same can be said with the folks on WEEI. Although Felger is still a target for the Big Show, but nothing more than when he was on the WEEI roster.
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    I'm not sure you realize what Sports Guy's job is if you hold this opinion. Simmons is, in my view, VERY good at his job. Ordway and the 'EEI folks are largely horrendous, imo. Not "D & C" horrenous, but prett darn bad.
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    Well, that is what Simmons said. Of course Ordway would say something different. I do know that the Big Show did trash Simmons on the radio last week because I heard it. I do know that Simmons was supposed to tentatively go on the Big Show since they teased it as a possibility. What really happened we will never know.
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    MoLewisRocks is right though - even if you agree with SportsGuy's criticisms of EEI, whatever bad things he wants to say about them can be said about SportsGuy and then some. SportsGuy's columns are predicated on ripping into people, for him to accuse EEI of being a bunch of bullies - what a joke!

    SportsGuy has sucked since around the 2004 WS. He sold out, been living in Cali too long, and frankly, doesn't know jack about sports and doesn't realize it. At least the Big O has some sense of the boundaries of his sports knowledge for certain sports and has the sense to defer to guests at times. SportsGuy is a mess. Honestly, I know he's real popular with the male 14-21 crowd, and I fit into that at one point when he was getting real popular. And I used to be a huge fan of him, but as a sport fan, you quickly outgrow him.

    I'd pay good money to make SportsGuy go away, or at least stop associating himself with Boston sports.
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    I don't think any of them are great. But the lesser of evils would be the Big Show. How is Simmons good at his job? He's not a talented writer, he's not knowledgeable on sports, he's extremely out of touch with Boston sports and he has the attention span & maturity of a 14 year old. He appeals to a certain crowd, and maybe he does that well, but he's about six years removed from writing anything well. I don't care how many hits he gets, or how popular he is as an ESPN writer, his stuff is crap now. To think he considers himself an authority on basketball makes me want to vomit. I doubt Simmons has even stepped on a basketball court in his life.
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    I don't disagree with you that Simmons does a lot of the things he rips into Ordway about, but he has been critical of Ordway for other aspects of his show. I think both guys get paid to be critical of people in sports and the media. So ripping on each other is fair game. I think both have done their share of hitting below the belt though (at least sorting through both sides of the story).
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    5 stars for this link alone. Great interview.

    Disclaimer: Huge Simmons fan, here, despite his chicken-little attitude towards the Pats and his poor showing after Spygate.

    Regards,
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    No. Given that I actually heard the Ordway commentary on the air, I already know that it did not happen in the manner you described.
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    That's fair, but I think Simmons took it too far and came off looking defensive & childish. Big O would've had him on his show, still, b/c he is an adult and understands what they do is for entertainment. Big O is far more cognizant of what each of them are (using the word "shtick" showed a level of self-awareness I highly doubt Simmons has).
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    I heard it too. I admit I didn't hear the whole thing, but he did rip on Simmons for articles going back to 2004 or 2006.

    If I am wrong or heard it wrong, why don't you enlighten us.

    Both Ordway and Simmons have had a petty feud going on for years.
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    According to Simmons, Ordway blew him off. Simmons' impression was that Ordway was going to blackball him from the Boston airwaves. We don't know what happened behind the scenes. So we will never know what really happened.

    I doubt what Simmons said of the incident is 100% accurate, but neither is Ordway's. It is probably somewhere in the middle. Granted we don't know where in the middle the truth really lies. Most he said, she said arguments are like this.
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    Yea I read that part on the Herald. Wasn't sure if there was a long-standing thing that went backa few years.

    Simmons took a wrong turn here. He should have not even made mention of his displeasure with EEI. He doesn't have the cache to get away with this. If someone like Belichick or Barak Obama said something, maybe Big O would have turned yellow...
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    I suggest you go into the archives and listen to it for yourself. Suffice it to say that your characterization is incomplete, at best.
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    Well to be honest, I just trust Ordway's account of it much more then. Again, Big O is by no stretch my favorite host or personality, and some of what Simmons says about their show is true - but he takes himself much less seriously than Simmons, so it's a lot easier to take his word for it than the Sports Guy, whose ego has far outgrown his actual worth.
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    Umm...who really cares? All these radio and sports writers have such big egos its amazing they can co-exist with each other. Apart from Reis and Gammons who else in the sports world that covers Boston teams is really down to earth, earns the respect of all the fellow writers and in touch with the every day fan? Grant it, it works both ways. You have idiotic fans that cannot be rationale or ever wrong but the point is these writers and DJ's have elevated themselves to a 'self perceived cult' status because of the sheer number of followers.
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    Got news for you. Peter Gammons has not been in touch with the average fan since 1991.
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    In fairness I looked up online, and it looks like ESPN itself didn't want Simmons on until things cool down. At least that is the official story now (atleast that was Ordway's account and is being reported as official in the local media like the Herald). I will accept that explaination. Although Simmons seems that it was Ordway who had something to do with it. At least he intimated it on 98.5.
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    If you recall, Simmons and ESPN had a tiff which was centered around Simmons wanting a new contract and ESPN saying that all of his content was ESPN property. It is my understanding that the issue is still unresolved and Simmons is sulking...According to what I have read, it was Simmons who wanted to go on EEI and make peace, but ESPN said no. Kinda ane eye for an eye type thing...

    I'm thinking that this whole thing is a calculated move by Simmons to PO ESPN in the attempt that they will void/change his contract.

    Just going off what I heard...
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