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    He's going to the Browns along with Sheldon Brown
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    Re: So long Gocong

    I'm interested in what the Eagles get for draft picks. There was a discussion here on us giving up a 2nd round pick for Gocong..

    I'm thinking Eagles get a 3rd this year and maybe a 5th or 6th next year..
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    Re: So long Gocong

    There you go..
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    I'm confused. Are either of these linebacker really any good? Seems the proverbial bag o chips would have been the biggest element of this deal.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    People here love Gocong because eventhough he has been a bust or disapointment, the feeling was he was better suited for the 3-4. Granted that doesn't mean crap, but that possibility have this guy becoming the next Mike Vrabel in many people's eyes. I wouldn't have been upset if the Pats traded for the guy while not giving up too much, but I am not nearly as enamored with the guy as many others.
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    So the Eagles threw in their best Corner as well?!? What an astonishingly bad trade.

    They'll have Samuel and Hobbs as starters next year :rofl:
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    Re: So long Gocong

    The Philadelphia Patriots.
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    Oh yeah, I keep up and I'm all for it. Any linebacker that might help. Just seems to me he's a throw in with a legit cornerback and still can only get two low picks and a LB that couldn't crack the lineup in Cleveland?

    I've got Eric Alexander and a bag o chips right here, let's make a deal.
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    Best CB duo since Haynes Clayborn, according to some here.:rolleyes:
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Yeah, but if he's healthy at least EHIII will be affordable as a #2 and KR while they draft their #1 Samuel replacement of the future...LOL
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    Re: So long Gocong

    One Eagles fan I saw on a different forum thought they might get a 2nd and Shaun Rogers for Gocong and Brown. I guess not!

    Reactions after the deal was announced:
    "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!"
    "Wow.... did we ever get robbed on this one!"
    "I just think the value we are getting in return for these guys is a joke."
    "this just goes to show how far the Eagles' front office has fallen off"
    "Get ready for 6-10 or 7-9 next year, if we're lucky."

    Well, at least we're not the only fans that think our team is in trouble for next season...
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    He he.

    The NFC East QB's will probably be chuckling away to themselves this afternoon.

    If they don't go CB in the first round of the Draft I'll be shocked.
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    Haven't looked at Philly's draft pick list. Do they have any top picks we could trade Whilhite and Wheatley for?
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    The #24? :D
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    For the record, I like Hobbs hustle and kick return abilities, but he's always been a nickel, only started because every other corner was hurt. He's not smooth, he waves his arms and runs choppy and is a magnet for PI calls. Same as Wilhite, difference being we need a nickel and occasional backup, so he's fine. It would be nice to have Hobbs return skills, though.

    Also Hobbs has a big yapper, which could be part of the reason we gave him away. If anyone is harboring the delusion that we really, really needed some fifth round picks, I've got some swampland in Florida for you to look at.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Rogers wasn't available at this time due to his felony incarceration for stupidity...

    If they're unhappy now, just wait 'til they don't trade Donovan and he pulls something or they do and Kolb goes down... Honestly, I've never gotten the comparisons to this organization beyond Lurie and Kraft both got their start here as Pats fans.
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    Just thinking.....could this be a precursor to a McNabb/Asomugha trade?

    It would make sense.

    If not, it's utterly insane management.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    BTW, what's with the Eagles' fire sale? Ok, Brown and Gocong aren't big losses, but they let several key players walk away by either cutting them or let them explore free aagency. They want to trade McNabb and possibly Samuel.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Think you called it.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    It appears the Eagles have been eying Alex Hall for years. You also have a big issue with Sheldon Browns' contract. I would have given our second #53 and Wilhite for Gocong and Brown in a minute. They had to feel Hall=Gocong.

    As the Eagle fans are screaming...They got robbed! I think they are right.....but..

    As Brit said this could be the precursor for the McNabb, Asamugha trade. I think the Oakland 2nd rounder #39 goes with that. Asamugha has an impossible contract that the Eagles will obviously extend him to make more palatable. The Eagles could not have had Sheldon Brown who wanted the big bucks plus Asamugha and then Samuel on top of that.

    If the Trade goes through, Samuel and Asomugha will be a pretty dynamic CB tandem. I think the "Revis factor" had a lot to do with the Asomugha trade regardless of contract.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    What you fail to grasp Ray is you don't get shutdown bookend corners on any team and your #2 is generally only as good as the guy he's playing opposite. Considering who Hobbs was playing opposite he was a bargain even before you factored in his return skills. He was also a victim of circumstance, the over reaction by refs to the Polian rule out of the gate. That has leveled out some what of late, too late for Ellis here particularly where fans were concerned, but I think the combination of his lack of size combined with his heart and grit led to justifiable durability concerns, and coupled with the understanding that even a borderline legit #2 is gonna want $3-4M in this market before his return skills are factored in led BB to make a trade for something else he apparently wanted, OL depth. If Butler develops and Bodden doesn't take a step back after signing his deal and Whilhite develops into a solid nickle and decent backup and Wheatley ever emerges from his funk, it will have been a meh...trade since we likely could have tendered Ellis at the #2 level and retained his services in the secondary and as a returner for two more seasons at beyond reasonable money. I'm assuming Hobbs is recovering better than anticipated from his neck injury or Brown likely wouldn't have been traded. I think Bill expected a lot more from Springs than locker room bonding with AD...
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Talk about insanity... Philly would gladly take #39 for McNabb straight up. If you include Asamougha in the deal there is no point in getting McNabb...or having traded for and now tagged Seymour... And with a cap certain to come back in 2011 there is no way the Eagles can afford to have $25M per tied up in a pair of corners...let alone when Kolb's deal is up at the end of 2010... One way or another the Eagles are going to be extending/signing a QB for 2011 and beyond so... This isn't Madden, cousin, here you have to pay the players.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Who makes more; Aso or McNabb? And by how much?
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    Well, you know, if the refs are calling them, you better adjust so you don't look like you're committing PI even when you're not.

    He was the best #2 on the team at the time, but i always thought he was best suited to nickel.

    Of course I'm projecting a second year guy, but Butler looks really smooth and I'm quite optimistic. I was a big Samuel fan way back when most people here were slamming him, but Bodden is a better hitter, covers well and still has good ball skills, making him better overall IMO.

    Bottom line, I like Bodden, Butler better than our former duo right now, so if I'm wrong (especially about Bodden, Butler's obviously a projection) y'all can bring it back to me later.:D
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Right now on average it's Asamougha, by about $3-4M per. McNabb is in the final year of a deal that pays him $12M. Asamougha is due $16M this season although it may have already been paid since it was to be almost entirely roster bonuses due in March. In which case no reason for Al to trade him since he's already paid him all his guaranteed money... In 2011 the team has to pick up his option on the remainder of his deal and pay him the higher of $16.9M or whatever the QB franchise tag is (anticipated to be in the $20M range). Or he becomes a UFA and cannot be franchise tagged.

    Absent an extension that $20M is what it would cost to retain McNabb in 2011, too.

    So you could almost swap 'em even up, but no way with a draft pick included... And it would depend on whether you wanted an aging franchise QB for 1 year at $12M with a franchise tag price of $20M the following year or your #1 CB to be making almost $17M the same time your now #2 CB is making $8M+...

    But again, if Al has already paid Asamougha in March, that may be where the comments from Schefter and even Asamougha's agent relating to his being untradeable come from... Even a senile owner isn't going to pay $16M for a guy to play CB for another team while paying that teams guy $12M to play QB for him...
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    Re: So long Gocong

    I agree with you. I agree with you. I am not fighting you. Stop with the Madden stuff. My last version was in 04 I think.

    My point is and why the Raiders have been interested in moving him is exactly his contract. It has been made well know that they would take offers on him. It forces the Eagles, who would certainly want Asomugha if his contract was reconstructed, to take him as part of the Trade. I am not the one who started the" Asomugha is going to be part of this" rumor. The sports media did. I am trying to look at it logically as to if it did happen, why and what are the moving parts. These are all based on assumptions but

    1-The Eagles have decided to move McNabb

    2-The Raiders want in. Crazy Al has decided that Draft Choices do not work out, especially his. They have a pretty fair team at this date minus a QB who is Ryan Leaf-ish as far as busts go.

    3-The Eagles have an issue with Brown in that he wants more money and it will become ugly. If he wants too much you might as well talk about Asomugha and see how much difference there can be.

    4-The Raiders have now decided that their contract for Asomugha was the stupidist one in the history of the NFL.

    5-Moving Gocong and Brown for next to nothing was a polite way of getting rid of the Brown issue and having it be the Browns new problem. (FYI-I would have given a second #53 and a player {Wilhite?} for Brown and Gocong as long as I could have talked to Browns' agent first for terms and have an agreement in place. Bodden and Brown are an upgrade on Bodden and Wilhite)

    6-It opens the door for a need at CB and Hobbs will not be that starter. Will they try a rookie CB? I don't think Reid would do that unless he moves Macho there and goes rookie S.

    7-Asomugha and Samuel make a great tandem at CB (in "Madden" if you want to say that), BUT only if they can extend Asomugha to get him off his present contract. His agent won't let them tear it up and start anew. No way can any Team take that contract as it is.

    8-I think the Raiders use Asomugha as leverage to force the Eagles to take him if the Raiders give up #39 for NcNabb. As crazy at it seems, Asomugha is not worth anywhere near his real value because of that stupid contract.

    9-If Brown is gone and his $ demands and McNabb's $ demands are gone, you might could overpay (slightly!!!) for Asomugha and pick up a very decent second round pick.

    Makes sense to me what Britt said.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Hobbs' 2009 salary was, thanks to escalators, over $2.5M.
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    Re: So long Gocong

    Cousin, what part of the trading Asamougha ship sailed early in March because Al had to pay him already don't you get? Al would therefore be trading a free year of Asamougha and #39 to the Eagles for a soon to be 34 year old QB he'd owe $12M.... So he'd be effectively handing the Eagles the 2nd round pick he didn't want to part for in the Seymour deal for the pleasure of effectively paying $28M to fill the starting void left by his $60M bust #1 draft pick of two years ago he's still on the hook for guaranteed money to...

    And if he somehow hasn't paid him yet then the deal makes no sense for Philly since their CB's would be eating up $22M+ this season and $25M+ next season (whether they pay Asante or eat his dead cap in a trade or cut) at a time when they have to work out a starters extension for Kolb (whom it would have been better to have tested more thoroughly earlier lest they commit big bucks to a big disappointment) or face having to tag him...
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