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    Or so says this writer in the following article......

    New Orleans Saints' bounty scandal underscores the danger of hard hits and brain trauma - Yahoo! Sports

    I love how certain people in the media are so happy and quick to state emphatically that "Everyone is doing it" in regards to the Saints Bountygate scandal. Yet, these same buffoons refused to acknowledge that EVERYONE Was taping signals, or using binoculars and a steno pad to attempt to steal them etc etc.....Where were these aholes back then when everyone was roasting the Pats in a ridiculous WITCH hunt?? Every freaking coach, scout, player, owner etc is participating in trying to figure out the opponents defensive signals.....they ALL DO IT.....and have been since Pro Football began!!! Hell, they work like heck to figure out the signals in college too!!! EVERYONE DOES IT!

    With Bountygate....are most teams encouraging their guys to go out there and crush/hurt the other teams offensive players? Of course they are.....don't disagree that there is probably a loosely drawn up bounty program on most every team.......Difference with the Saints is that they had so many skeletons in the closet and allowed too much stuff to hit the media.......
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    Players werent heavily involved in taping signals, they are heavily involved in bounties. Players are being vocal in defending the saints, they werent with the patriots because they have no friggin idea what their coaches are doing. After the media outrage and fan base outrage against the pats there was no way a current coach would admit to it, even though Jimmy johnson did and no one cared. It is what it is, we just have to accept that.
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    I have lots of those same thoughts. I have theories about why that discrepancy exists (BB vs. Payton in the media's eyes), but who the hell knows for sure? I'd be willing to bet that there were more teams taping than had formal bounty programs, but what I think and what I'd bet on don't mean a thing. Thinking that general opinion will ever change on how others view the Pats taping signals is a fool's errand and a waste of time and energy. Yet, it sticks in my craw and likely will forever.
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    I think much of it is due to an overly simplistic viewpoint from those that think they know the game but really don't. "Oh, I know what the defense is doing; all I have to do is this and it's an easy touchdown", while the other is "players hit each other every play, therefore there is zero difference and this means nothing".

    However, I do believe the public perception of Belichick (and the fact that many in the media didn't like him) had a very large role in the way the event was reported by the media, and that in turn shaped how it was received by the public at large.

    Another way to look at it is this: suppose the two events were reversed, and the Patriots had a bounty program and the Saints were filming. Which event would have created more of a witch hunt and more of a public outcry? I guarantee it would still be what Belichick and his team did.
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    duh :), but also just kidding. I just knew it was going to end this way. I took my lumps but in the end a lot of teams are doing this, and thats going to come out.
    Sorry Ron don't agree, media loves to destroy the SB darlings they built up as pure. I was taut that here. Same as they did to the Patriots. Theirs never been a bigger witch hunt than this in the NFL.

    Its fine, not like we don't deserve it, but we also don't deserve to be the team to take ALL the blame for it either. It sucks being the BlackSOX's or Patriots spygate. But just because everyone else didn't fight it, don't hate us because we do. I think the Saints and fans fighting Goodell can have a very positive effect on the NFL.

    Sometimes all a bully needs is a nose bleed to back off and think for a change.
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    I've read that article and can't see anything that suggests other teams were involved in anything like this.
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    Yeah bounty and all that, but in all seriousness, that GIF is amazing!
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    Calc--that .gif is 'insanely horrible' would be a much better statement.
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    Apparently you've taken so many lumps you now see things that aren't there (as apparently does the OP). Nowhere in this piece did it elude to any other teams doing what the Saints did. We know that lots of teams had player run pay for performance pools in existence. That is a violation of the cap rules. But it is not remotely on the same level as a bounty system run by and even participated in by coaches.
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    Albert Belle says, hello (HOF stats, NFW going).
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    Agree. F that game.
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    :eek:I'd just found it recently. Please enlighten me as the the specific game.
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    The issue with the Pats was not that they were the only team that ever did it, plenty did. but that they were the only team that continued to do even after being warned not to do so. It was BB's arrogance that cost us the draft pick and the fine. Plus, to top it off he had the gall to do it in the opposing stadium, against a coach that knew he was doing it.

    With the saints, the league found out 2 years ago of the problem, they were told to stop and did not, The league then had new evidence that it was still going on, asked the management team to explain it, they denied it was still taking place. More investigation and then they got hit because they lied about it continuing to go on.

    Both cases Godell gave the teams a chance to stop with no punishment. Both head coaches continued to flaunt the commissioner's directives. Result they both got publicly humiliated.
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    Michael Silver?

    The guy who Raider fans quote about the tuck never having been called before the snow bowl. (A little bit of research finds it called in the Jets New England game that year - favoring the Jets. A little more research finds it being enacted to protect Steve Young's passing while scrambling. Even a little bit of research is beyond that idiot.)

    Dude, consider the source.
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    double post
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    Yeah that. And it was in reaction to the Wes Welker drop/ Tom Brady's high throw.
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    Dear shelteredone54,

    A memo went out to all teams. Let me explain how that works with a real world example based on my office.

    HR would generate memos regularly. Once a year everyone got a memo "reminding" them of the sexual harassment policy.

    What I, and everyone I know, did was check to see if that is on everyone's desk or just mine. If just mine this is serious. If everyone you can throw out the memo because you already understand the sexual harassment policy. (Or the 401k policy, whatever.)

    The league sent it to all 32 teams, proving it was meaningless.
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    Didn't want to start another bountygate thread so I figured it best to add here that round 1 of the grievances has gone to the league with Specal Master Burbank ruling that Goodell indeed has jurisdiction over player suspensions related to bountygate. He saw the issue as primarily conduct as opposed to cap violations related.

    Round 2 ruling awaits with arbitrator asked to interpret wether the global suits settlement in 2011 CBA NFLPA doesn't exempt players from penalties for prior conduct (but of course, not league as language actually, you know, states since the NFLPA concurrently filed suit in Minnesota contending 2010 collusion and claiming the settlement doesn't preclude that)...

    I think the NFLPA Executive Committee made up largely of impending retirees and a smattering of past and present Saints is going to rue the day it rubber stamped De's re-election without opposisition. The guy who ran against him last time - contending they were getting snookered by a beltway lawyer with a powerpoint presentation - player agent/attorney and now NFL coaches association president David Cornwell has been eviscerating De for his handling of both the CBA financials and the worstening league union relations in it's aftermath.
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