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    Neat stuff and should make for an exciting game assuming Bill will have a similar plan.

     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    I assume 'Stains' was intentional? :confused:
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    The Fish only had 66 rushing yards in the second game last year, and I believe the wildcat formations were pretty much a bust. In the first game, Miami had 216 yards on the ground.

    The wildcat is fairly limiting on an offense, despite the "options" included, so I am surprised teams are struggling to stop it at this point. Miami does it as well as anyone, but this isn't the football version of the "crane kick" from The Karate Kid. I expect Belichick will replay the first game a few dozen times to get the defense good and angry. As the commentators noted during the New Orleans game, the wildcat is great at killing the clock but it is not a quick strike offense. Get Miami down a few scores and you can stick a fork in the Fish.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    well-said. i dont know the percentages, but the "pass" option is used rarely at best. if you bring the heat youre pressing a non-qb to make a very quick read & throw. so play the run lanes and rush some of the backs.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    It's more likely that the Saints looked at the film of the 2nd Pats/Mia matchup,last year.NO basically,just wore out the dolphins with offensive talent.

    However,this isn't the problem that is facing the jets,this week,and the pats,two weeks,hence.

    The difficulty with the 2009v wildcat is when miami goes, no huddle,and then shifts back into their normal alignment with Henne at QB.He's much more mobile than Pennington,albeit,less accurate.The vaunted?,jets defense seemed to be totally befuddled by this constant shifting by the 'fins and I believe it had more to do with New Jersey's* lack of depth and poor adjustments,more than Miami's wildcat talent.If you can't contain the wildcat's RB's on the outside,you're dead.

    This isn't a "gimmick",that Mia runs,they put serious practice time into it........and it shows.The new wrinkle,with Pat White at QB,also shows that this offense is evolving.

    The bottom line,against the wildcat,is really quite simple:

    1.Versatility:being able to field multiple safeties,who can run-blitz

    2.Tackling(simple):With all this shifting and running around,the wildcat is basically,just the option offense.If you tackle the RB,on the edge and maintain your lanes,it will breakdown.

    3.Turnovers and Scoring(more simple):The wildcat can't work if you get behind early or if you don't get turnovers.Make the Dolphins offense start in their own side of the 50 and make them throw on early downs.Stop their run............if they can beat you with Ronnie Brown or Pat White or Chad Henne,throwing......well.....more power to them...........but,stop their run.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    Miami should have no trouble with success with the Wildcat again vs. the Jets,What they HAVE TO FEAR is having 2 rookie corners out there trying to stop Braylon Edwards.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    WILDCAT, PATRIOTS STYLE
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    I don't believe that there is just ONE "blueprint" for stopping any offense. A lot depends on your personnel, where the game is being played, weather conditions, current injuries, etc. Though I'm sure the Pats will go to school on what NO did, but they will also go to school on what the Jets did, or even the teams that fared poorly did. Sometimes you learn as much knowing what fails, as what is effective.

    I think people forget that this isn't a gimmick offense, any more than a spread formation is a gimmick or the wishbone option was a gimmick. It is simply a formation that goes back to the roots of the NFL using single wing concepts, and deception in the backfield, and adding an extra blocker at the point of attack. It works because we haven't seen any real deception and ball handling in the the pro backfield since the mid 70's and the advent of the I formation.

    It wasn't until the late 40's and early fifties, that T formation with the QB under center became fashionable (and that's even before MY time ), though when I first started coaching there was still one HS team in MA (N Quincy) who ran a single wing offense. It presented tons of problems until you deciphered the areas the offense was trying to attack.

    It can be very confusing if you are trying to find the ball by looking into the backfield. There is just too much going on. There are 2 things you have to do to stop a single wing offense. First you have to determine WHERE along the line the offense wants to attack, ie off tackle, outside, inside. Second you CANNOT look into the backfield for keys. If you do that then you are dead. Before you finally figure out where the ball is going a blocker will be on you.

    In the "wildcat" you have to let the linemen or blocking back take you to the play. You have to literally ignore whats going on in the backfield (a lot of misdirection) and key the oL. That's why preparation is so critical. Often if you break it down enough, you can find the key lineman. The guy who takes you to the point of attack.

    One of the things they rarely point out is when Miami does its Wildcat is how often they are using an unbalanced line, in an effort to simply outman the D at the point of attack. Kind of like when Ryan overloads one side on a blitz...only in reverse. When a team is unbalanced, there will be a blocker who will take you to the play. he maybe on the line or in the backfield, but he will be there, you just have to break it down.

    Quite frankly I think teams will eventually stop the running attack from the wildcat...UNLESS Miami starts showing that it can effectively pass the ball. That is coming, I'm sure. The Jets MIGHT see some of it on sunday, but I KNOW the Pats will see it the next week, I think that somewhere down the line Pat White will start to factor into the Wildcat.

    As to how to stop it, I think its kind of difficult to try to offer an opinion without closely examining what formations they run off it. the motions, the blocking schemes, etc I think the Pats response will involve having 3 safeties on the field. Back when I would face the single wing as a VERY young DC, I would find my formation key, and slant, or shift my DL to that key. Of course its was more complicated than just that, but this isn't a proper format to go into more detail.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat

    Ken me boy nailed it with the 3 safeties defense. BB is geting serious wood just thinking about that D.
     
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    Re: Lessons from the NO Stains on stopping the Wildcat


    This is a great analysis! Much appreciated. That is just smart play to let the linemen guide you to the play because you know they are the first betray in the disguise.
     
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