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  1. blackglass3

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    Honestly, it feels strange that there is an NFL controversy (sort of, anyway) going on and the Patriots are in no way a part of it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/06/23/imus.controversy.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

    Sorry if there is already a thread, mods. I am just trying to point out that for the first time in a year, the Pats have been knocked off the front page (LdT's "classless comment", loss to the Colts, Moss deal, Spygate, RunItUpGate, perfect regualr season, offensive records, Spygate II, 18-1, Spygate II aftermath, IRGate).
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    it will be interesting to see how this plays out. it would not be possible to get as much attention as last time, but it will get its share of press this week. i don't think he will be fired because WABC and RFD TV both seem to be commited to airing the show, it is bringing in a lot of money, and I think it will be handled a lot better this time. There will be those who will say "told ya so" however, and they might make some noise. Someone said it earlier today and I think it is a great point....the sad truth is that people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are going to be more outraged by these comments, than by the actions of pacman jones.
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    Count me among those more outraged by racist comments in the media than by some dunderhead acting like an idiot in Las Vegas.

    "Told ya so."

    Imus has a racist track record as long as the tattoos down Amy Winehouse's arms.
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    Please. The radio has two dials. One to change the station and one to turnoff the radio. Unless you are tied up like the guy in Clock Work Orange I have no pity.

    You find Imus insensitive/ Here's an idea - Don't listen to him. His ratings dry up and he gets fired.

    I wish any black people (or African-American if you'll call me a European-American) complaining could go to the 1920's and experience real racism. Break your leg and crawl two miles to a hospital, and they won't treat you because they only treat whites, but if you crawl another 2 miles...

    Ooooh, mean white man said pacman is black!!! (Excuse me, African-American.)
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    I don't listen to him, by the way.

    I'm all for people putting his feet to the fire though. He had great ratings in NYC, and he still got fired.

    What gets me is when people get angry when other Americans use their free speech rights to call Imus what he is: a racist.

    So, the only form of racism blacks should be concerned about is racism ala 1920s? uh-huh.

    And what in the world does this mean: "or African-American if you'll call me a European-American"
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    There's a lot of garbage out there...and Imus has gottem pushed out of the picture because of his total insensitivity and now..maybe gone...Sadly he's a dinosaur..belonging back in the dark ages of many sterotypes and such...But he is mild compared to many even more outrageous buffoons...like Michael "stick the granade up the babie's behind' Regan...Maybe if people who disliked this manure saw who the sponsers were boycotted them..maybe the garbage would go where it belongs.
    I'm all for free speech...but compare what Lenny Bruce got arrested for and look at what is normal for one of the "shock jocks". Times have changed. With freedom of speech comes responsibility...but few who spout understand that.
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    Yeah, they might as well. I was just trying to comment on it from a "The Pats aren't the ones getting the headlines" type of standpoint.
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    Africa is a continent. Are you tutsi, hutu (sp?) There are likely some differences as vast as lumping Irishmen, Swedes, Greeks, and Spanards together. Or am I to believe a Zulu and Morocan are exactly the same?

    So tell me are you the great decider of what people can listen too or do you think someone else should decide for our own good?
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    Don Imus just needs to sit down somewhere.
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    Well, maybe you can go back to the slave ship manifests and figure it out so the African-Americans don't make that mistake of lumping all Africans together.

    I'm one person. I believe in free speech. If other people would rather not deal with Imus's sponsors, it has an impact. Simple as that. For precisely this reason we don't have Nazi radio or Jihad radio, etc. It's because those stations have a hard time finding sponsors.

    This is old ground. We've been here already. NBC backed Imus last time until all the sponsors started bailing. You have something against free speech?
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    Freedom of speech isn't about the right to say something that's acceptable to others. It's about the right to say something that's NOT acceptable to others.

    When you use your freedom of speech to attempt to suppress the freedom of speech of others, you are simply laying the groundwork for any and all speech, including your own, to be limited by the same means.
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    People really need to start to get a grasp on what a racist really is and not fall for whatever they hear from the latest pundit or news story. Do us all a favor and stop reading or watching news if you can't decipher for youself what is real or what is hyped due to the need for more gotcha headlines. This, like before, is nothing...
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    Except for a lame attempt by an old man to save his ratings from tanking. I agree that he has a right to say it, but why must it be plastered all over the news everytime he does? Does anybody (besides Indiana residents) listen to his show anymore?
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    AMEN! You took the exact words right out of my mouth. :D:rocker:
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    Bingo! Finally some are seeing the light. :p
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    Let's be specific. We're talking radio here. Not about the constitution. No one takes away anyone's rights to say anything racist. You can say racist things to your hearts desire.

    This isn't a free speech issue. It's about radio. HUGE HUGE DIFFERENCE.

    If someone says something you don't like, you have every right to react to it. That's free speech too.
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    No, there's no difference. Those who would act in the manner you hope for are just book burners taking another avenue. You pointed to Lenny Bruce but, sadly, you didn't learn the lesson that Lenny Bruce (and George Carlin later) should have taught you.
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    I didn't point to Lenny Bruce, and the comparison is so silly.

    Lenny Bruce was convicted of a crime.

    Don Imus is not up on charges.

    Please, stop the inanity.

    There's a world of difference between boycotting a sponsor and throwing someone in jail.

    I'm having a hard time believing you think there's no difference between citizens refusing to buy something and the government putting you up on criminal charges.

    NEWSFLASH: the ACLU defends the KKK, and it's not because they are upset that some citizens are refusing to buy products from the KKK's sponsors.
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    You're right. That was Pats726. I misread the post, and I apologize. The idea is still applicable, and you were responding to my response to Pats726, but the specific example was not yours. Again, my apologies.

    I'm having a hard time believing that you're incapable of grasping the difference between changing the radio dial and picketing the radio station. One is a sensible exercise of your discretion not to patronize something you don't agree with. The other is an attempt to silence someone you don't agree with.

    Newsflash: the ACLU is a socialist, anti-Christian organization with its own agenda that goes above and beyond defending perceived assaults on the First Amendment. It picks and chooses who it will defend based upon its broad political goals rather than based upon the simple notion of protection of the first amendment. That's within the organization's rights, but it pretty much kills your "KKK" argument.
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    They're both my prerogatives under a free market. Now, if I were to use violence or threats of violence, that would cross the line, but a boycott is a wonderful way to put your money where your mouth is.
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    A boycott is an attempt to 'strong-arm' and coerce someone into doing what you want, and has been since the very first action of its kind. In this case, a boycott is an attempt to limit free speech. In other instances it's sometimes about wages, or hiring policies, or any number of other reasons. Calling it 'free speech' is just a way to give it cover rather than calling it the more accurate 'mob coercion attempt'.
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    Blah blah blah, I'm not getting into a political argument on this site as you chose to.
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    You're hopelessly confused on this since even the Supreme Court puts actions such as boycotts under Free Speech rights.
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    Well, I have never listened to Imus since the 70s, though I am well aware of his recent controversy. I think he's long been irrelevent as a radio commentator.

    Yes, Imus needed to be more careful and his comments needed some clarification (hey, that's radio), but after we got that clarification, if there is still a controversey here, it's whether Imus' implying that Jones is getting picked on because he is black can be considered reverse racism.

    As with the former Dodger GM's theory about black atheltic supremacy, and the comments a few years later by Jimmy the Greek, it always seems that those who are most offended are those in the PC establishment who can't handle what these people seemingly suggest.

    The Dodger GM suggested blacks were superior athletes because it was bred into them by slaveowners. Well howdy-do, damn if anyone in the PC establishment enjoys being reminded about the historic legacy of American slavery. Whether his theory (which in my mind was not far-fetched when considered logically) was correct or not is not relevent; the real racism comes from the reaction of others.
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    I'm not confused at all. First of all, what the Supreme Court claims and what the Constitution actual means are frequently at odds (see Roe v. Wade as a prime example), so that argument is completely unpersuasive. Second, here's what I wrote earlier about the notion of a boycott:

    Notice I said that it was a use of free speech in an attempt to suppress free speech? This time it's you who should have actually read posts more carefully.
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    So what? If the price I have to pay to boycott someone is that they may eventually boycott me, then so be it. I'm comfortable laying that groundwork. And of course it's "strong arming", in the sense that it puts pressure on someone to do something that they wouldn't have otherwise done, but why should that bother me?

    You seem to think that my only recourse is to not listen. But I also have the recourse of communicating my displeasure to other people. That is what a boycott is.
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    Pujo telling his mother and some friends that he's pissed off at Kraft foods because the cheese product isn't actually cheese is not the same as Pujo organizing a boycott and demanding that Kraft stop manufacturing the cheese product and only manufacture pure cheese. Pretending that it is the same is simply a way of pretending that you're not taking the actions of a common thug.
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