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  1. mayoclinic

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    They didn't waste any time.

    The AFCE is getting stronger. Despite Denver's 2nd half defensive collapse, Nolan should make Miami's defense better, Chad Henne shows promise and should mature, and their young CB's will have a year of experience under their belts. The Jets are one game from the SB, have a young QB getting valuable experience playing under NFL pressure, and are one WR and one CB away form having a really solid starting lineup.

    Move forwards or move backwards. Treading water doesn't work. I think we still have the best nucleus in the AFCE, but not by much anymore, and we have a lot of holes to fix.
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    'Fins scare me. No question. Their pass rush may suffer a little next year w/ and old Porter and Taylor. They are in the same boat as the Pats in that regard.
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    The Dolphins scare me a lot less than the Jets do.

    They still don't have much to speak of at LB.
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    coool! Looks like were just going to sit back and a) hire the guy that nobody wants or b) go in house.
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    I don't know. The Dolphins defense is old and not all that good. Jason Ferguson will be 36 in November, Jason Taylor will be 36 at the start of the season (if he is even back), Joey Porter is going to be 33 (if he is even back), Will Allen will be 32, and Yerimiah Bell will be 32. That is 5 starters (although Allen went IR pretty early and isn't guaranteed a starting job back).

    I think the Dolphins are going to have to rebuild their defense. They still need to upgrade their receiving corp while give Ronnie Brown a long term deal. I think the Dolphins are primed to take a step back unless they are very active in free agency and their owner doesn't exactly have the deepest pockets.
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    I'm getting ahead of myself, but the Pats could very well have the worst defense in the AFC East next year. Losing Bodden and Wilfork will only nail that down. Meanwhile, it seems like the Jets have got all their defensive pieces together and the Dolphins are right behind them. Buffalo is the question mark.
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    Matt Patricia. Get used to it. He is going to be running the defense.
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    Lovely! When the hell are they going to get some solid coordinators and keep them?
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    Good points.


    I don't know what Ross' deal is. The guy has a net worth ($3.2b) higher than Kraft's but is panhandling every celebrity to buy a stake in the team. According to Forbes, the team is healthy financially. Just odd.
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    If Wilfork and Bodden leave, and the team takes no effort to address its needs, this could happen, but the phins' defense has a ridiculous amount of holes along with the Bills. The Phins have some good players such as Wake and Bell but they're all getting up in age. They have a terrible FS in Wilson, a weak ILB corp, no one opposite of Wake, a huge ? at NT, and two rookies at CB who were statistically the two worst CBs in the division. Buffalo had a historically bad run defense and need to completely overhaul their dline and get another competent LB next to Poz.
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    Well, where is his money. There are plenty of billionaires who are billionaires because of assets or paper (stocks, bonds, etc.) and aren't very liquid. Ross could be in that situation.
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    Success causes teams to lose coordinators. McDaniels was a solid coordinator and the Pats kept him for four years. There is no reason to believe the Pats can't get the same type of production out of Matt Patricia on the defensive side.
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    Or, he could just be incredibly cheap (more than likely).
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    "Treading water doesn't work". I like that. The Patriots better be

    active in free agency and have a good draft or the rest of the AFC East

    will leave them in the dust.
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    We all know what happens when you stick with aging LBs for too long
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    Other than Belichick, the Patriots don't pay the other coaches very well.
    This is why they don't have well known coordinators and use coaching
    assistants as position coaches. They also have one of the smallest
    coaching staffs in the NFL.
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    Lets see. His net worth in 2007 was $4.5b. In 09 is $2.9b. His losses are due to the real estate market bottoming out- plus the banks probobly shut him off for a bit during the credit crunch. Maybe he got Ponzi'ed. Maybe his securities are tired up in the Morgan-BoA acq. He could be a financial mess as you highlight.

    But the 'Fins as a business is fine. Debt to equity is fine. Good profits. Good revenues. Team value of over $1b which means he can borrow cash. But if hes shaking down Jimmy Buffett and J.Lo for some green you gotta wonder if hes bustin' out the place. LOL.
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    Not saying we're going to go out and make a splash, but this move in no way means we're "sitting back". We have no idea why Nolan and McDaniels decided to mutually part ways. It's very possible Nolan simply does not mesh with the Belichick tree's style of coaching, and had no intention of considering a job with us.

    Not every non-move by the Pats is a decision completely of their own making. No one has that much control.
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    You don't buy a professional football team these days and expect to be incredibly cheap. I can see if he was like Ralph Wilson and owned the team for decades when players didn't even get paid enough to not work in the offseason. But Ross only bought the team a few years ago and knew the costs of running a team and was even a minority owner when he decided to buy the team.
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    Sean Payton gave up $300,000 out of his own salary this year in order to get Tom Benson to hire Greg Robinson as DC. Now that that's a coach who's willing to put his money where his mouth is.

    The Patriots are one of the most profitable teams in the NFL. The salary cap has restricted play expenditures, but there's no reason the team can't afford top coordinators.
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    Buying a team and not having assets is even less likely, IMO. I live in South Florida. The word around the campfire is that the guy is a cheap P.O.S., to put it nicely.
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    Who said that they can't afford them?
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    So the Patriots are willing to pay up to the cap, build a brand new stadium with private money, pay their coach top dollar (presumably), and I assume have up to date, top notch facilities. But for some reason they're not willing to pay a little more for a coordinator they like?

    BS. Right or wrong, Belichick believes that consistency in the program is the most important aspect to his coordinators. You can argue if he's right or wrong to do so, but I see no evidence that these decisions are based on money.
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    It really would have been nice to grab Nolan. I didn't expect it but man...Outside of HC I don't think our coaches compare to the rest of the AFC east, and that's scary considering our talent is thinning out too.

    I don't know why Bill wouldn't go after a guy like Nolan. But no, lets hand the job over to another guy because we like him, hopefully that makes him a capable DC too. It's just scary in terms of experience, our staff no longer matches up.

    I've been asking myself lately.....wtf happened with Capers? If the Pats didn't re-sign Pees this year, it was obviously not a short sighted decision, that has never been Bill's thing. The question I have though is if going into the season he knew Pees was on a short leash, why let an absolute guru in the 3-4 (who is wayyyy experienced compared to Pees by the way) go, when he wasn't that happy with Pees?

    This is just getting frustrating, mistake after mistake at this point.
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    I guarantee you that the Pats spend much more total $$ on coaching than the Fins do. This has more to do with Miami's desire to implement a Jets/Rex Ryan scheme on D as Lombardi wrote about in his Sunday post this past weekend:

    Sunday at the Post | National Football Post

    They wanted Nolan more and actually formally asked permission to speak with him last week about their DC job. The fact that Nolan wanted to speak with them probably has something to do with he and McDaniels "mutual" decision to part ways.
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    The team can afford whoever they want. However, I would be surprised if our coordinators under Belichick were paid anywhere near the league average or the average for playoff teams.

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