Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by PatsFan24, Feb 14, 2012.
This is a surprise!
My crystal ball isn't working. You want to help us out with what the title of this thread is based on, whose opinion, who said what, etcetera?
I hope so..I wanna see another Peyton vs Brady classic in the postseason before they retire...although that looks like a longshot nowadays with Peyton's injury and stuff
Try a website called nfl.com
Well not really.
Only with a restructured deal.
Colts owner Jim Irsay says team 'would love to have' QB Peyton Manning back | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
So they'd pay him less...and he'd be there for how long? A year? Is Andrew Luck going to sit longer than that?
This is such a stupid situation. They have to get rid of him and they know it, or trade the pick.
Is there a need for Irsay to disguise his intentions? For instance, if he wants to go with Luck why not say it?
Hahaha. Way to post a thread without any source cited and then cop an attitude when someone asks for it.
I feel like Irsay is in Cover My A** mode trying to come out on top of a soon to be PR nightmare.
Trying to throw Manning under the bus with "We wanted him back, but he was unwilling to restructure his contract." in what is sure to be nasty debacle in Indy when it's all said and done.
Either Manning's kept, cut, or traded. There won't be any happy or financially satisfying ending here for either party regardless of what happens.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out heading into the 2012 NFL Draft.
No attitude here. He wanted to know some information so I told him where to go.
Yes, Irsay's getting ready to dump Manning and he wants to make it look like it's Manning's fault.
This is going to be an interesting game of cat and mouse. I am sure Manning doesn't want to play for a crappy colts team but doesn't want to leave because of the pr nightmare. Irsay doesn't want to pay the bonus money and also wants to avoid the pr nightmare (If he lets Peyton become a free agent). So who takes the blame?
Unless the Colts flush their entire line as well, why would he want to leave? The teams with that level of protection are few and far between, and there is no way he wants to take a beating behind a bad O-line. That assumes he will ever return physically to close to his earlier form.
I expect he continues with the Colts after pushing this bonus payment if he is healthy. He does not want out as his status only improves by making the Colts credible next season after this one. 10-6 makes him a miracle worker, and Luck plays apprentice for a year or two. Who cares what Luck wants if he is drafted unless he is a better QB than Manning next year.
âWe can make it work if he wants to be here,ââ Irsay said today. âWeâd be excited to have him back and finish his career with us.âI want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the . . . healing process with the regeneration of the nerve.â
Then he added: "and when a herd of cows fly over The Lube".*
*He really didn't say that, but that is what he means.
The Colts' offensive line sucks.
Is there a source for this or did it come to you as a vision?
Or you could have invested the ten seconds it would take to insert:
NFL.com news: Irsay: Manning welcome back to Colts but on restructured deal
Just sayin'. :singing:
Still, the topic is interesting thanks for, well, kind of telling us about it.
Or, he could have said "...and we can look at doing a contract that reflects our complete lack of interest in really doing this."
Peyton would be stupid to take less money to play on a bad team that he has to completely carry (again) while constantly competing with Andrew Luck.
God forbid he loses a game and the media starts to scream, "is it time to bench Peyton Manning?"
Miami or Arizona are an elite QB away from being serious contenders and will probably offer way more than the Colts.
Irsay is trying to leverage the rumor that Manning will do a team friendly deal for an interested team that is a franchise QB away from contending and doesn't intend to draft one with the #1 pick in the 2012 draft into Manning shooting his way out of town. And you'd be surprised what will fly in Indy these days since it's a given drafting Luck guarantees them another 13 years of division dominance and conference contention...
Irsay is his own worst enemy in all of this. The twitter monster. He publicly pontificated that he wanted to make and keep Manning the highest paid player in the league. Had he gotten his way Manning would have just signed a new deal last March before the lockout and before the surgery or when Brady did in 2010 and now Indy would be on the hook for $30M+ instead of $10M in dead cap. Manning gave them an option and they took it. That option included a no trade provision if they decided to move on.
A 2-14 season and the #1 pick drove Irsay's decision to move on from everyone associated with the last 13 year run and reinsert himself as the one true face of the franchise and defender of the horseshoe... But he doesn't want to be his reviled old man either, the guy who pushed Johnny Unitas out the door. And at 39 Unitas was toast, so Irsay fears this could be worse. If Manning goes somewhere else and wins consistently over the next 3-4 seasons while Indy struggles to rebuild around a college QB with little more than projections of greatness...let alone if he lands in their division and finally makes a team like Texas genuine contenders (and the oft injured Schaub's deal is up after this year)... Well, he knows who fans will turn their wrath on, Bob Irsay's son. If you want to play the good cop you probably shouldn't have fired the bad cop first.
Colt fans seem to be genuinely divided. In part because Irsay spent the last couple of months convincing them first that he had no intention of ever moving away from Manning if he was healthy and going so far as to reassure them they could have their cake and eat it too. His accountant must have called and explained the finances - and perhaps human nature - to him. He began counting on Manning being done, and Manning isn't there yet and frankly you can't blame him for resenting the implication.
This is about Luck and the #1 pick. If Irsay wants Manning to stay all he has to do is stipulate he will not use the #1 pick on a QB but rather on improving the team that would surround his 2012 QB. If not, he needs to just hold up his end of the bargain and let Manning go to a team who will gladly stipulate that. It's not about the money, it's about the draft pick and direction of the team over the next 3 seasons. Manning would be an idiot to give this clown another break after the way he's backpedaled over the last month or two. It's all about trust and Manning no longer trusts anyone in control in Indy.
If Jim Irsay believes that moving on is in the franchise's best interest, he has to own that. Like Kraft did with BB and BB did with Brady. Irsay's not dealing with some hayseed from Kiln, Mississippi who only wanted to show up and play sandlot football on Sunday's. Manning is an anal football machine, and a veritable industry, and represented by the top agent shark in the business, and he has a multitude of options post career and he has all the leverage. Can't win this fight and all he will do in the process of trying to is further piss Manning off and pile the pressure on a new staff and a rookie QB to win now on a team that is absent a draft windfall woefully devoid of talent.
Makes for some great off season NFL viewing though...:rocker:
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