Welcome to PatsFans.com

OT: Colts and Titans Had "Agreement"

Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by Caspir, Jan 3, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Caspir

    Caspir Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    536
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    Kerry Collins, speaking on WFAN, said that the Titans kneeled down at the end of the Colts-Titans game because they knew the Colts wouldn't call a timeout.

    Collins said that the Titans originally called a running play, but he was told over his headset that the Colts wouldn't call a timeout to potentially force Tennessee to punt with less than 20 seconds left. Pressed further, Collins said the Colts and Titans coaches had "an agreement," which is sure to raise collusion questions. Clearly it would have been a long shot for the Colts to win, but Browns fans won't enjoy hearing this one. Jan. 3 - 8:42 am et

    Link

    Uhh, yea. That's the definition of collusion, and it involves a team that was playing for a playoff spot. I wonder what the NFL will do about this blatant rules violation?
  2. sieglo

    sieglo Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,243
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    I'm with the Colts on this one. Who cares, really? The Colts are under no obligation to try to win the game.
  3. DefenseRules

    DefenseRules Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2005
    Messages:
    9,948
    Likes Received:
    41
    Ratings:
    +109 / 2 / -1

    #12 Jersey

    They will do NOTHING. This is Polian we are talking about. St. Dungy would never agree to such a thing. :rolleyes:
  4. Tunescribe

    Tunescribe PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    16,460
    Likes Received:
    293
    Ratings:
    +809 / 5 / -14

    #61 Jersey

    In the immortal words of Martin Luther Dungy: "It was a dark day for the NFL."
  5. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    20,689
    Likes Received:
    190
    Ratings:
    +479 / 7 / -5

    Actually, according to Leasterbrook**:
    **Yes, I feel dirty. :bricks:
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  6. BradyManny

    BradyManny Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    9,771
    Likes Received:
    31
    Ratings:
    +83 / 4 / -0

    How is that not a huge deal? It's basically admitting Dungy helped rig a game that decided the playoff spots. It is collusion, and it's pretty pathetic.

    The Colts can try and lose the game if they want, that's fine, but any discussion between the two teams conspiring to create a desired outcome - that's pretty much the worst thing that can happen in sports. It's definitely something that can tarnish reputations.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  7. spacecrime

    spacecrime Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    8,329
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    No, but that isn't the question, now, is it?

    It is telling the other team that you will not try to win the game so they will not run a play.
  8. sieglo

    sieglo Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,243
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    I guess playing a touch game for 59 minutes doesn't equal a bona fide effort?

    By any legal interpretation, it does.
  9. Caspir

    Caspir Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    536
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    I don't think they're under any obligation to throw Hail Mary passes to Reggie Wayne, or bring Manning back in to go for the win either. However, they are under an obligation not to collude with another organization to affect the outcome of a game in progress, which is exactly what they did. It's sort of like, I don't know, having a camera positioned in the wrong area of the field. Choosing not to throw bombs for the win is not against the rules. Informing the other team that you will let them win is against the rules.
  10. BradyManny

    BradyManny Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    9,771
    Likes Received:
    31
    Ratings:
    +83 / 4 / -0

    But if the two teams actually had an agreement or any discussion whatsoever - how is that not illegal? I agree, the Colts can lose the game if they damn well please, they just can't tell the Titans in advance.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  11. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,569
    Likes Received:
    184
    Ratings:
    +444 / 10 / -11

    #24 Jersey

    At it's best this is totally unseemly. Regardless of which team was better between Tennessee and Cleveland, the Colts literally decided who would make the playoffs. People can explain it away however they want but it's not a good face to put on the NFL - especially with the whole facade being moved to prime time.
  12. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Manning was calling the plays (not that he doesn't always...) with the sheet and the headset. Of course extending Sorgi was pretty much a red flag that if they pull the QB they quit.

    I don't have a problem with a team taking any strategic tack they choose. I firmly believe Bill told Cassel to sail the 2 point throw against Miami. But nothing was at stake for Miami or any other team. A win might have moved us up a seed, but only if another team later lost, which they didn't.

    This was a little different since it dramatically effected the 6th seed in this years playoffs. And with a bye coming playing even a half with the starters or calling that TO to run another play or two would not have adversely impacted a team that is supposed to play football. And the relationship between Polian and Fisher via the vaunted Competition Committee certainly feeds the perception of impropriety. What will we tell the children..........:eek:
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  13. BradyManny

    BradyManny Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    9,771
    Likes Received:
    31
    Ratings:
    +83 / 4 / -0

    Because it involves Dungy, the media won't make a big deal out of this.

    But again, the Colts can not call a timeout, they can make no effort to win that game at the end. That's all fine, in terms of the rules, ethics/integrity of the game, whatever. That's all just fine and practical. But to tell another team that's what you're going to do - that isn't right in any of the aforementioned ways, rules, integrity, etc.

    But again, b/c St. Dungy is involved, we won't hear word one about this from any [perceived] reputable source.
  14. Fixit

    Fixit Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2006
    Messages:
    4,698
    Likes Received:
    18
    Ratings:
    +50 / 0 / -0

    Oh my God, if they had an "agreement" about this, what else did the teams have an "agreement" on? This calls into question all of the Colts SB victories!
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  15. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,067
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    It's only wrong if the Colts got paid for it, otherwise it's just a team saying, hey we're resting starters, we're down, we'll just let the clock run out... nothing wrong with that.
  16. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,569
    Likes Received:
    184
    Ratings:
    +444 / 10 / -11

    #24 Jersey

    Anyone who doesn't see a littke quid pro quo between the Colts putting the Titans in the playoffs and Polian getting Fisher's vote in the committee is blind. We all know that if the Colts had tried, the Titans would be home today - what's that worth in the offseason ?
  17. PatriotWarrior

    PatriotWarrior Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2007
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    well isnt jeff fisher and bill polian both high ranking members on the competition committee ? I wouldnt be surprised if they made personal favors for each other and this time the colts owed the titans a favor. I feel sorry for the cleveland browns and their fans in all of this. they must feel pretty screwed over knowing this now
  18. BradyManny

    BradyManny Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    9,771
    Likes Received:
    31
    Ratings:
    +83 / 4 / -0

    Tell that to Romeo.
  19. mavfan2390

    mavfan2390 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,067
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I honestly don't see the big deal, if the Pats were in that position we'd all be saying that it was a meaningless game (for the Pats) and that we were resting starters...let's not forget, unlike us, the Colts have no emotional attachment to Romeo.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
  20. speed

    speed Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2007
    Messages:
    425
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    The Darryl Reid hit on Chris Henry wasn't touch, for sure.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2008
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>