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  1. DisgruntledTunaFan

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    I know this has nothing to do with the Pats. However-IF this is true, then Samuel is going to have a HUGE burden on his hands now.

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    That would be an idiotic trade for the Cardinals. I'm sure they'll do it.
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    The amount of money the Cardinals will be paying Fitzgerald pretty much guarantees that they can't spend huge money on another receiver. Realistically speaking, Boldin's gone (He's made that pretty clear by ordering his agent not to negotiate with the team), so it's a matter of getting the best they can for him. I was reading that it would take Lito and 'more' to make the deal.
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    True. Just a matter of getting value for him. If it was straight up, the Cards would be getting robbed; but if it includes 'more' as you say, then it makes more sense for them.

    I guess I just think back to the Pats getting a first for Branch and imagine that the Cards should get a heckuva a lot more for Boldin.

    But I guess that has more to do with the Pats FO skills (and lack thereof in Seattle) than anything else ...
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    If that trade happens, Assante will be exposed sooner than later LOL
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    Swapping disgruntled players. Interesting concept.
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    Why are some here so goddamn bitter to Samuel?
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    Don't you get it? All he did was make the probowl and pick off a bunch of passes, including 3 for TDs in the playoffs. Obviously he is a no talent hack, a product of BB's system. We all know Bryant is going to step in and get 10+ picks this`season. It is the biggest no brainer in the history of earth. Duh.
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    Personally, I don't find myself bitter, per se. Him leaving for more money is fine...hell, even Willie did it and everyone here loves him. I am just highly irritated that he let 19-0 bounce off of his hands.

    And Boldin on Philly would, for me, make them the NFC East favorites.
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    Making interceptions by jumping routes with backup safety coverage was Samuel's trademark. He was not a shut down corner who could be matched up against the opponents best wr. Remember the CB who covered Buress was an injured Hobbs not Samuel. Bottom line is that he took the money and ran, now the Eagles will find out how good a one on one cornerback he is when they blitz on every down.
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    Willie got released. I'm not disagreeing with you on the general point, but that is a notable distinction.
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    it happens every time a Pat leaves. Everyone start to dislike them and belittle them saying they weren't that good.... ie. Deion Branch.

    I am not sure how this makes the burden on Asante that much more. Once you get paid 10 million you have a burden. having Lito behind you doesn't let you off the hook
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    And we were right on Deion Branch.
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    A freak injury just like David Givens. Ty Law got injured when he was a Pat. Willie had hammie injuries with the Pats and got injured with the Browns also.

    I am a believer if the Pats had Branch against the Colts in the AFCCG they would have won.
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    FYI-Samuel would thrive in Tampa, Indy, and Chicago b/c they play the Cover 2 scheme.

    Pt being that Samuel is just in the WRONG system in Philly. No-never thought he was a "system guy" or anything. Bottom line-you need the PROPER personnel to RUN your scheme effectively. Which is why teams like the Redskins underperform year in and your out-it's b/c these owners think playing fantasy football is the way to go.
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    I'm glad you made that conclusion even though he's never taken a snap for the Eagles or played for any other team.:rolleyes:
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    This is so wrong on so many levels I had to read it twice to see if it was a weak attempt at sarcasm. There were many Pats who left with class and were treated that way. Who belittles WMG? Givens?

    During the summer of Deion's discontent, many thought we should keep him, even those who disagreed with his way of leaving.

    What people said about Deion was AFTER the trade, AFTER he ended up with Seattle. People said, Ha ha, he didn't play very well, did he?" and some of us figure that maybe Brady had a lot to do with Deion's success. If you are being sarcastic, I apologize, but you are saying that Deion's career in Seattle shows his worth for a first round pick, you are delusional.

    Personally, I disliked the way he left, but to me he sure hasn't proved to be worth a first round pick Seattle gave up for him.
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    Branch has actually been a pretty good player in Seattle, emergin as Hassellbeck's safety valve. However-his big problem has been STAYING HEALTHY.

    In the NFC Divisional Round game against the Packers, prior to the Hawks going up 14-0, he got hurt. Otherwise, it would have been a double-digit win by the Hawks b/c they were in high rhythm with their passing game at that point.
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    I think the jury is still out on Branch.

    Personally I think people get joy out of seeing ex-pats fail and are quick to jump on any setback they encounter whether an injury or a blown assignment.

    Not every Pats is criticized. I think people liked to see Joe Andruzzie get him money or even Tom Ashworth.
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    I think the Big Picture here is that it's probably wiser for teams to invest in the DRAFT to build their teams.

    I don't have any problems with FA, but probably the best FAs to get are veterans that not only know your scheme, but they also come out a middle of the road price as well as bring alot of leadership on the table.(i.e. Junior Seau)

    It was alot like when Parcells was here in Dallas-not only he put a ton of priority in the draft, but alot of FAs he brought in were veterans that didn't come at an expensive price AND bought into his philosophies(with the exceptions of Bledsoe and Vinny).
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    ok. but the original debate was that people seem to revel in the failures of ex-pats when they leave and hence we see alot of threads with the general theme of "I guess the front office knew what they were doing" or "he was a system player".

    as for free agency and the draft. the draft is the best way to build a team. the pats have hit on the majority of their first rounders and then you need to have some draftees in the 2nd, 3rd, and lower rounds that become starters. These guys get locked into 5 yr deals at decent money compared to free agents.

    Free agency can bring talent like Colvin, AD, and Welker(a steal and semantics on FA or trade).

    I think the overall theme is a team can't have many busts that weigh down the salary structure for a long time.
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    The last two years I have felt that Asante is a good cornerback who has great ball skills but isn't physical enough for my taste, nor does he provide the option of shadowing the opposition's best receiver. He isn't a shutdown cornerback and isn't worth the money he got in Philly. If they expect him to play the same style that they have played for the last eight years or so, I don't think they'll be happy with their investment, either.

    He has a great knack for jumping routes and usually makes the catch if it is near him but INTs aren't the only measure of judging a cornerback's worth.

    Deion Branch wasn't a dominating wide receiver for the Patriots, isn't/hasn't been a dominating wide receiver for the Seahawks and hasn't been worth a first round pick. The contract he signed isn't a backbreaker now, but that's only because of the highly inflated deals we've seen other comparable (or even lesser) receivers receive. Most people recognize him for what he is, a 1 1/2 receiver, if you will.

    His inclusion in the context of this thread is mind-numbingly incoherent.

    As an aside, I fully believe the Patriots are at least 13-3 in '06 if Branch is still on the team (week three against the Broncos, having a legitimate air attack changes the outcome of that game, in my opinion), which means no trip to Indy and probably a win in the AFCCG.

    Both players are similar in that they were very good for the Patriots but were compensated like #1s when they are 1.5s.
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    How is there a debate over whether or not the players who leave the Pats are as successful (individually or collectively) as they were in New England? Aside from Vinatieri (collectively only)...

    They aren't.

    There is no debate.
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    The point is people revel in the failure and it's tiring.
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    What amazes me about the Samuel signing in Philly is that their organization, media, and fans just went on and on last year how the Pats cheated them out of that Super Bowl...

    Now when they get Samuel, they're all of a sudden not only welcoming him uber-warmly, but they're also changing their tone to "But it was ONLY defensive signals they stole", "Samuel and the Pats' D had NO idea about the cheating b/c no defensive signals were stolen et al", "There were many other reasons why we lost that Super Bowl, but we WEREN'T cheated out of it", blah, blah, blah.

    You just gotta love the hypocrocy, that's all.

    FYI-remember Sheldon Brown was (very)outspoken over Spygate last year. Last Spring, there were rumors circulating that he was angered over the Samuel signing.
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    if you can't beat them then become like them??

    teams will also overpay for what they perceive as a big upgrade.

    some people love asante, some don't(seems like alot). he got his money. if he is awful(like jason david) then so be it.

    he was good here when he played, and he's moved on.
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