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    San Francisco 49ers, Michael Crabtree agree to contract - ESPN

    Only took a quarter of the season, but it's done now.
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    Finally. Now people can stop talking about him re-entering the draft next year. Of course, I bet the 49ers end up essentially paying him for what may be a lost season, since he's missed almost 3 months of time to learn the offense, get in sync with the QB, and, of course, contribute.

    Maybe now that he's signed he'll open up about whether the Jets tampered. :singing:
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    How long will he take to get to know what the heck he is doing?? I doubt he will do much this year...unless it's really late in the season.
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    And just hours after, the Jets get Braylon Edwards...Hmm...
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    I won't be surprised if we see alot of running plays involving Crabtree until he gets use to the offense.
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    Wheyyyy, thank god, nothing irritates me more than people who have a load of talent and waste it like that, I would play in the nfl for peanuts
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    Lol if you played in the NFL you wouldn't be able to enjoy those peanuts, since you'd probably be eating through a straw by week 3 haha.
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    Same here, surely the players realise if they take a bit less cash it means the whole team can be upgraded, and it's not like a couple of million isn't a lot is it? greed more then the love of the game looks to be what drives some players :(

    Glad he's signed though, the 49ers were my tip for the NFC West, and Crabtree can only help them down the stretch really.
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    I think we should be glad that this happened because I am betting that this whole drama could really cinch the rookie cap proposition for 2010 or 2011, in time for our top two picks. I imagine the owners are disgusted at how this has turned out.
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    If this kid ends up sucking, he'll be the joke of the year. Missed the combines, missed camp, and asks for more money, what a jerk off. He deserves to suck dammit lol.
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    well, i now hope he deserves the contract he got, but i doubt he does much of anything this or even next season....
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    Disagree. The 49ers' O will be drastically improved now. Crabtree will be one of the best possession receivers in the NFL within a few weeks. If they can get him 10+ touches a game, he's going to light it up.
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    Good for them. They're going to be a good team this year and I like Singeltary as a coach. He's the anti-BB, but he gets it done. Anybody know what the official figures are for the contract?
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    Per Schefter...

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    Now,finally,people will see the logic behind BB taking Oakland's 2011 instead of 2010..........the top 10 picks will be insane,next year.Unless you're after a franchise QB,having a top ten pick is financial suicide.With what New Jersey* paid Sanchez at No 5 and what Crabtree got at No 10,the slotting system is now in total disarray.

    What Belichick did in this year's draft and having a *1 and 3 *2's next year is just extraordinary,imho.
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    I think Crabtree is the weirdest, stupidest draft pick in recent memory (in terms of negociating, not what will become of him - some guys have set the bar too "high").

    I hope nothing but bad things for him professionally and I hope he is a failure in the game of football. Congrats rookie, you just wasted a year of your career for absolutely nothing that couldn't have been had in August and you've become a joke.
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    I disagree on all points.

    You have your own personal understanding of negotiations.

    Crabtree chose to use the options available to him under the CBA. Crabtree got $8M for agreeing to the 6th year. He did not have that in August. He is not in any sense a joke for negotiating.

    And just BTW, why has he lost a season? Perhaps he won't get ROY awards, but he already has received that compensation in his contract. He will definitely contribute this year. And the Crabtree signing must move SF to be a favorite in making the playoffs.

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    I am actually in the camp that says Michael Crabtree is going to be a fine player someday, but this is just way too much. He'll be lucky if he's got 10 touches this month, forget about per game.
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    1) Yes, this is way too much. However, that is because the pay for the top 10 is way too much. It has nothing to do with Crabtree. I expect that there will be some limits when and if a new CBA is signed.

    2) No matter how many touches he gets in October and November, he will be getting significant touches in December and Janauary when it counts. He will also be getting significant touches for the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 seasons.

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    The reports aren't completely clear yet, but it looks to me like the 8M extra was money which he quite possibly would have had a chance for as realistically attainable incentives. So he gained money if he is a bust or badly injured, but not if he is the success he wants to be. And the extra year sets up problems later, as the salary is 4M which will be far below top receiver money, costing him money unless he is good enough to void it (which seems to have a pretty high bar).

    His guaranteed money looks slotted and no better at all than he would have done in August.

    Had he negotiated realistically in August, I think very possibly he COULD have gotten this deal then. This was a "we're close, let's get the deal done" sort of compromise. But in August Crabtree was by all reports still set on DHB (7th pick) money. Which he completely failed to get.
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    I disagree on your points. Many people - perhaps including yourself - are obsessed with money. So he got a few extra bucks (I stand by the fact I think he could've gotten them in August, because in the end he fell into the slotting process). I care about working, not money. I am not the kind of person who would go somewhere "just for a few extra bucks" but I understand that many people are like that.

    He put himself above everyone else - which is fine in this materialistic time, I guess. I wouldn't. There is a slotting process that everyone except Crabtree follows. The "negociating" you refer to is what I call being a self-absorbed brat who YES used the legal right to do so, but who is a fool for thinking he'd buck the system.

    He will only contribute towards the end of the season, if at all - which for you is enough...

    Finally, I hope he fails professionally. That part, yes, is personal. I work with people obsessed with themselves and they, in turn, make my job more difficult. I wish we could "cut them and take their playbook".
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    I suggest that you restrict yourself to watching youth football and high school football. In the NFL, football is a business. Certainly Kraft, Belichick, Seymour, Wilfork and Brady understand this. So do all the patriots. And yes, so do Crabtree and the owners.

    In addition, I understand that there are those who think that players shouldn't be "obsessed with money" and should allow the owners to pay them whatever posters think is a fair wage. For these posters, players are scum if they think that money is important. Of course, it is fine if money is important to owners and coaches.

    There is an agreement that governs pay and compensation. Crabtree did nothing wrong. SF did nothing wrong. If the system is wrong, it should be changed. I'm sure there are those who think that players shouldn't be allowed to negotiate.

    It is because some managements think as you do that the players need a union and a union agreement. The best football players on the planet are not "brats" when they don't kiss the a$$es of management. What do you think the most successful doctors on earth make? or the most successful rock singers? Player drafted in the first round are better than all but a few hundred players on the planet at most. Their services will make millions for the owners. They have every right to negotiate for their piece of the action.

    There are BILLIONS and BILLIONS of revenue made by NFL teams. Of course, for you, only owners should care about the money. The players shouldn't worry their poor little heads about such important matters. Right!

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    Don't need to lecture me on NFL football... I have a job - it's a "business" - I like doing it and I am not obsessed with money. Tired of people always belittling others that put money second. Everyone isn't obsessed... though obviously you and Crabtree are.

    I do not exclude owners. They are obsessed with money too. My comment was regarding Crabtree, who is a fool for not accepting the what was the eventual settlement earlier. I can go on, in similar fashion, about greedy, and in some cases moronic, owners.

    You are waaaay to into "the rules" and "the rights" of the players via the CBA... He is a joke if he thinks he actually benefitted from the holdout (including fanancially). He got slotted. Point over. The funny money facade is transparent and just a way for the agent to "look good"... he, by the way, stayed away from the conference. Why ? So that he didn't look like a joke as well.

    Did I ever say he shouldn't be allowed to negociate ? No. Did I say he wasn't within the rules ? No. He didn't benefit - neither financially, nor for his career (yes, some "crazies" actually think doing a good job is in itself a reward, while others only quantify success with money).
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    Simple: as soon as he signed, the tampering Jets traded for Edwards. Roger???
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