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    He said that he's probably played his last game for the giants.

    Maybe they would trade him. What do you think?

    BB seems to not trust rookie OLBs, as he doesn't draft them and won't play woods for example.

    I think he would be good. Another is Schobel from the bill-os.
     
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    I think osi could play 3-4 OLB
    He seems athletic enough to do so
    He's only 28 and I'd like us to take a shot at him

    However, I think a 4-3 team will offer him more money than the Pats given the question mark about the position switch.

    I think Schobel is too stiff to play OLB.
     
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    I really REALLY dislike that guy. Easily makes my top 5 list for least liked players in the league.

    That said... if he can help solve our pass rush woes... DO IT.
     
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    There's some issues to be considered:

    1. He's got a big contract. Signed through 2012, $41M with $15M guaranteed. The last big contract guy we signed to solve our problems at OLB hasn't turned out so well.

    2. He's coming off a knee injury, which ended his 2008 season. He hasn't played particularly well this season, especially against the run. It's not clear whether he's still recovering from his injury, but I'd want to get a better sense of that before taking on such a big move.

    3. He isn't the easiest personality in the world. He's spoken about his personal life being affected by abandonment issues and "psychological trauma" from his childhood. He's been very outspoken in the past, and he's something of an open malcontent this season. We've had our own overpaid malcontent at OLB, and it hasn't been a particularly pleasant situation. I'm not sure I can see the FO running to find another guy who fits that mold. I'm not sure he's the veteran I would want to bring in to provide leadership and mentor any developmental DE/OLBs (if we ever drafted any).

    4. It's not clear that he would be an effective 3-4 OLB. He's terrific speed rusher in the 4-3, but while he's very athletic I'm not sure he has what it takes to set the edge and play the run in our system. I see him more as a better version of Derrick Burgess.

    5. Umenyiora has benefitted from playing on a very talented DL, with guys like Michael Strahan, Mathias Kiwanuka and Justin Tuck alongside him at various times. Like Adalius Thomas in Baltimore, some of his success may have been due to the system in which he's played and the talent which he's had around him.

    6. It's not clear that the Giants will trade him, or how much they would ask for.

    Add all those things up, and I don't think it's exactly a clear "yes" to go after this guy. I would hope we would take a very long and hard look before going after this guy, and only if the cost were not prohibitive.

    All in all, I think it's a long shot at best. I'd rather have Mathias Kiwanuka. Younger, cheaper, taller, better at playing in space. Not as good of an edge rusher, but I don't think that's the most important thing to BB.
     
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    With the concerns outlined above in mind, I'd be happy to propose a trade of malconents to the Giants, and send them AD for Osi. The Giants desperately need help at LB, and have a lot of depth on their DL. Regardless of what we feel about Adalius Thomas, he has skills, and he's a much better LB than anyone the Giants currently have. He might do very well playing behind that killer DL of the Giants. Both players might benefit from a change of scene, and the contracts would essentially cancel each other out. I'd much rather have Umenyiora than Burgess as a pass rusher.
     
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    He cannot stop the run basically making him a one down player. The Patriots are not going to pay his salary for a one down player. He's not going to be able to set the edge in a 3-4 OLB role any better than he has in a 4-3 DE role, probably worse.

    I have to say TBC has really surprised me in his evolution this year as he's not just a pass rushing specialist. He's been very good against the run. Jax game he really shined in this capacity. Plus he costs a about 15% of Osi.
     

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