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  1. mikey

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    I thought here is a nice quotation:

    ''Sent to their death by Osama: 2,189," Ziwisky's window read on a recent day, referring to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. ''Sent to their death by George: 2,296," referring to the number of American casualties since the Iraq war began.


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    Yes, but, remember, the righties love our troops. (Wrong. For many of them it's about loving our president, and having the body bags to prove it.)
     
  3. Turd Furguson

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    The fact that you can morally equivocate President Bush with Osama Bin Laden just proves how far you've sunk into the depths of your mentally ill hatred.

    Keep getting this message out however. As it stands now, the Dems will probably take control of the Senate/House in 08. UNLESS mainstream America sees the above as the mind process of the mainstream left.

    Keep up the good work boys!
     
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    If the weak, knee jerk, blubbering, whiney, jellyfish democrats that are now leading this party of sore losing haters should regain power America is in big trouble, right here at home.
    The first thing these anti war, anti America creeps will do is Relax Security, then the Muslim Terrorist Savage WILL STRIKE, AGAIN.
     
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    The left are Al-Qaeda's/Insurgents best friends. If they knew America was 100% steadfast and resolute they would have ended their insurgency years ago. But they've realized that with each bomb, they are scoring points with the left as the left puts 100% of the blame on the attacks on the Bush Admin.

    Imagine that, you attack innocents and a certain faction of Americans place the blame somewhere else. What a country.
     
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    Osama Bin Laden himself taped a message during America's Presidential election urging the people to -"VOTE FOR KERRY"

    Bin Laden KNEW that Kerry WOULD NOT FIGHT BACK, Kerry would try to "negotiate" Kerry would "whine", Kerry would consult with the "sniveling weasle Carter" yes, the Taliban would still be in power, Saddam and his demented sons would still be raping and killing, the Iraqi people would live under the threat of having their hands and feet amputated in public, many in the region would live under the threat of Saddam using "poison gas" to slaughter their children, the Iraqi women would still be treated like dogs and donkeys.

    You sore losing Bush Haters are a sad f-cking lot.
     
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    Turd, you are confused again.

    The left are AGAINST Al Qaeda.

    We are FOR the war in Afghanistan.

    We are AGAINST the war in Iraq.

    IRAQ has NOTHING to do with TERRORISTS.

    The Iraq War is George Bush's personal vendetta and represents a personal favor to his buddies in Dubai and Saudi Arabia.

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    Al Qaida seems 100% steadfast and resolute, yet we haven't ended the war. Other than that, your point is irrelevant unless you oppose democracy.

    Bush's policies created anarchy in Iraq, so clearly some of the blame falls on his shoulders. And, yes, Al Qaida is scoring points, and they every day remind us how futile it is to have 160,000 soldiers in a region as complex and large as Iraq.

    Imagine that, you send soldiers to die in a war based on misinformation, and certain faction of Americans place the blame somewhere else. What a country!
     
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    My point is that Al-Qaeda KNOWS that they'll get the exact reaction they're getting from the left thus achieving their main goals.

    Bush policies created temporary chaos in Iraq, I'll grant you that but then again after such a tight knit rule, any policy would result in chaos. In the end, I believe we did the right thing.
     
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    Are you saying that even though the right controls the White House and both branches of Congress, it is too spineless to stand up to Al Qaida because of pressure from the left?

    Also, opposition to this war has never has been an issue about the rights of Al Qaida. The issue is about how best to defeat terrorism, and the left thinks Bush's strategy is killing Americans, giving credibility to terrorists, and turning Iran into a more radical and more powerful nation than it was with Saddam in the picture.

    It's not the end yet, or are you saying that under no circumstance would you believe we did the wrong thing?
     
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    I dont deal in absolutes Patters. I just havent imagined the "wrong circumstance"

    I refuse to believe that the Iraq war has inflamed the Radical Muslim world. They've hated us forever and whether we went into Iraq or not, they were going to continue to hate us and plot against us.

    Are you saying that the Iraqi people dont deserve freedom?
     
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    Of course the Iraqi people deserve freedom, but our approach is doomed to failure. Time and again for 150 years the west has gone into the Middle East and tried to impose its values. Time and again all that resulted were problematic power shifts that led to feudal and sometimes radical regimes.

    Turd, most people have trouble with their teenage children; trying to get a nation to follow the desired path is infinitely more complicated. People don't change that quickly, especially in a conservative society where many people are uneducated. Think about this, Turd: If there was another form of government that was better than ours, what is the likehihood that you would embrace it as a result of an invasion?

    I think at this point our best bet, and it's a lousy one, is to gradual pullout and try to get a UN or Arab force into Iraq. Bush has done more harm to the Middle East than anyone since the age of Colonialism. This war will go down as incredible folly.
     
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    The point is Patters that as of right now, you or I would be FREE to embrace or reject it. Under Saddam, the Iraqi people had no choice.

    It took the good old US of A many many years to stabilize itself after getting out from under British rule. We cant expect any better from the Iraqis. We can hope that they can at least defend themselves so we can start withdrawing but to call the approach as being doomed to failure is simply a self fulfilling prophecy.

    We've got to be as resolute and probably more so than our enemies to see this thing through so we can get out of there without having to worry about going back in a decade later.
     
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    That's not true at all. The people of Iraq were not free to embrace whatever system of government they wanted. First they were stuck with Saddam. Now they are stuck with an occupying power that dictated the kind of government that replaced Saddam. We don't really know (or care) what the Iraqi people want.

    The approach has already failed. Americans are dying every day as a result of terrorist activity in Iraq; Iran is now on the road to becoming a superpower, and may provoke us to start another war; our budget deficit is climbing to record levels at a record pace; tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have died a result of the war; some people say Iraq is on the verge of anarchy and civil war. There is no evidence that things were worse for our economy, our troops, or Iraqi civilians during the period of containment.

    Our enemies are already fighting a superpower that has thousands of times the military strength than they do. If they are not intimidated by our awesome military power, they are not easily intimidated. They will keep on finding ways to fight us.
     
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    The Iraqi people have had the opportunity to have democracy forever. Did an occupying power stop us or India from creating our own government? Did an entrenched dictator/monarch stop the French or Russians? To me their willingness to live under Saddam is proof positive that they don't want what we're offering.
     
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    So now not only do you lefties think you know whats best for everyday Americans but you also think you know better than everyday Iraqis?

    Patters would you take the chance of dying if it meant being free?
     
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    Turd, on the one hand you're advocating the American invasion on Iraq to impose your idea of freedom on the Iraqi people, and on the other hand you're accusing the left of knowing what's best for everyday Iraqis! You're not making sense.

    If I wasn't free, I would fight for my freedom, but if the U.S. was invaded by a foreign power that tried to impose its own idea of freedom, I would react differently. If I learned that power took control of our natural resources, engaged in torture, caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people, and so on, I would probably not trust that foreign power.
     
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    Liberals:
    It's not the War, it's their Hatred for Bush.

    They wring their little hands, they sob, they wail and blubber when a murdering convict has his picture taken with ladies underwear on his head but are absolutely Silent when pictures are taken of America's enemy carving off a human beings head on TV.

    The scum bag Muslim Terrorists SHOT and killed an American Do-Gooder two weeks ago, you had to go to Fox News to find out about it, liberals don't even want to talk about it, something like that might make Americans mad, and if Americans get mad they might Support the "HATED BUSH".

    Have you ever heard a Liberal speak of Saddams "RAPE ROOMS"?

    Liberals are so concerned with basic rights, they try to come across as "kind and caring", full of compassion and love for mankind, Have you ever heard a Liberal speak of Saddam cutting the Tongues out of screaming, gurgling blood soaked human beings while their children were forced to watch.

    Do you ever hear a liberal speak of Saddam throwing human beings off rooftops to smash onto the ground like f-cking watermelons while their families are forced to watch.

    Do you ever hear Liberals speak of Saddams "Mass Graves" human beings bound hand and foot then shot in the head.

    This is what you will hear everyday though from the Wonderful Kind And Caring Compassionate Liberal Neo Dem:
    Gitmo
    Abba Grabba Prison
    Get Bush-Get Bush-Get Bush-Get Bush-Get Bush-Get Bush.
     
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    Harry, you seem to have a seventh grade understanding of liberalism. I thought you reached eighth grade?
     
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    You are giving him way too much credit, Patters.

    Remember, the problem with ignorance is that those who possess it are ignorant of that very fact, as well.
     

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