Heh. Just saw that this forum existed and felt like jumping into the fray. (Excellent naming Ian, congrats!) I guess I have to direct this mostly towards 3 to be 4 and mgteich because you two seem to be right off the deep end. Religion is not quite the "evil" that grogan or Sam Harris would make it out to be, but I can't imagine a bigger waste of time in the world. Let me help you out here real quick. There Is No God There is also no santa claus, no easter bunny, no ghosts, no goblins and no other such make believe. Also, if you really believe that folks who lived 2-5K years ago have a better understanding of the world we live in than the people of today, perhaps you have not been paying attention to any aspect of human history. Seriously guys, get a life and stop playing around in the world of make believe. Maybe try pretending for a minute that you live on a planet with a bunch of other people that you should try to find a way to relate to, instead of finding ways to build barriers. God bless! er..um.. gesundheit or please, just stop sneezing.