In this forum, the reality is that almost never has a conservative complained about a conservative or a liberal about a liberal or a libertarian about a libertarian. At least 99% of the complaints concern a person with one point of view complaining about the person whose views they strongly disagree with. Right there, the complainant loses a degree of credibility. The fact is almost everyone who participates in this forum is looking for someone to argue with. It's rare that a poster gets into a conversation with a like-minded person. So, to those of you who think that PF13 and I should do more to punish those who violate rules, my guess is that the people you want us to punish are more often than not the people you spend the most time debating. Opposites attract. This will never be a forum of like-minded individuals. That's not the point. The point is that it's a place where people with very different views of the world can communicate. This is not a forum for those who hold grudges or for those who feel that getting a person banned is the same as winning an argument. This is a forum for discussion and debate. This is not a forum for politesse and the thin skinned. It's a forum for those who enjoy engaging in a bare knuckle verbal fight. While there are rules to prevent a complete breakdown, in general this forum has always been run in a laissez faire way. The only reason this forum has moderators is because some of the language and comments got so out of hand that several people actually left patsfans.com altogether, and Ian was either going to close the forum or appoint moderators. As moderators, our goal is to try to protect patsfans, not your individual and divergent sensibilities, and to the best of our ability that is what PF13 and I do.