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  1. Holy Diver

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    http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html

    All the President's Nazis (real and imagined): An Open Letter to Bush
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    Very interesting perspective.


    From the Bush family lineage of funding Nazi's to planning facist coups all the way to today's iinvasion of soverign nations, to the creation of torture camps....

    His staements yesterday on the 60th anniversary of Israel are indeed, bullshizz! Either he is a clueless man to history or a crafty rewriter of it. I beg those of you who back this 'man' and his policy to look back at ACTUAL history, not what Bush tells you is history. Check that against what is happening now, and ask yourself....

    who is our President? and who is he fighting for?
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    I'm still waiting for your response to the post I made yesterday where I provided proof of the little nut in Iran's desire to see Israel destroyed. You said it was horse crap or some such, and blamed Bush for spreading lies.
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    #91 Jersey

    As R.Reagon said "there you go again" no lucid answer or rebutal just more obfustication. ;)
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    yeah yeah...it might have more impact if you could spell "rebuttal" and "obfuscation".

    BTW, what happened to that really cute "POX" thing you were doing?
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    I'd really like to keep this thread about the Bush faminlies ties to Nazis, Coups and similarities to what is happening now...but....since I respect you a.paul...

    My reply is that MOST persians don't agree with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the Mullahs. MOST Iranians are under the age of 35 and looked to the west as a cultural revolution. MOST Iranians want to become more free, listen to the music they want to listen to, wear the clothing they want to wear. It takes time. Threatening them with boms doesn't make them want to change. It makes them want to rebel.

    On the flip...

    MOST Americans (about 70%) Don't agree with Bush. He doesn't speak for me and most people I know. Yet he is the voice of our nation, or 'elected' figurehead. Yet his words do not speak the popular will of the public. I shudder when I think of the vast poulation of nations who take his word as the popular word of the american public. Much as most of us seem to do that with the Persian population.

    maybe this all does come full circle....because yet another invasion and attempt to lie the public into war looms...And I think its ironic that George W. Bush is speaking in Israel, on its 60th birthday when Prescott Bush was a Hitler guy. Yet nobody seems to see the Irony in all of that. They praise him, and he cried.....he cried.

    Bush IS Lying about all this. Bush comes from a line of Nazi funding Coup creating terrorists. Thats a frickin fact. Those who claim unlimited power will have a real hard time giving that power up. This is not dissimilar to Iran at all. One can look at our two nations as almost mirror images. Its strange that we can be so similar, misunderstood in our leaders chosen path of righteousess. Destined to folley in our attempts at justice from something as simple as dialog.
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    Thanks, HD.

    So what you're saying is, GWB has no credibility because (since you want this thread about that, I guess we can avoid all the other reasons you think he has no credibility :D) his grandfather supported the nazi party as an alternative to communism?

    Now...since we're talking nazis, what kind of credibility does Teddy Kennedy have, since his FATHER was kicked out of London for being a nazi sympatizer? I mean...father is more direct than grandfather, right?

    You say GWB doesn't speak for you...so why would you expect him to speak for his grandfather?

    There's a difference between seeing nazis as a better choice then communism and wanting to create a thousand year reich in North America....

    BTW--that 70% of people you say don't approve of GWB? A lot of them are also Republicans who're irritated at him over spending, immigration, Patriot Act, etc.
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    You've missed my point....

    maybe I'll make it simple for you....

    MOST Iranians don't want Israel wiped off the planet.
    MOST Americans don't want to bomb Iran

    the people who want war are a small number of elitists who claim that the world's polulation needs to be reduced by about 85%...they are the people in power. But the real power, as I believe it is in #s. There are more people who want peace than people who want war.

    power to the people.


    and....


    you need to explain this to me....

    "There's a difference between seeing nazis as a better choice then communism and wanting to create a thousand year reich in North America...." a.paul
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    I thought this :
    was what your point of the thread was, so I was trying to stick to that subject.

    But...how do you know that MOST Iranians don't want Israel wiped off the planet?
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    two reasons.

    1. Jews live in Iran, and have been for thousands of years. During the peak of the Persian Empire, Jews are thought to have comprised as much as 20% of the population. To this day Iran is polulated with a lot of Jewish people. At the time of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in Iran, and estimated at less than 40,000 nowadays, with around 25,000 residing in Tehran.

    2. Reprecussions of such an action.
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    The difference between thinking the nazi party was a better choice than communism in 1930 and wanting to create a thousand year reich in this country is fairly obvious, isn't it?

    In the thirties most people (Churchill was an exeption) didn't see the nazis as the pure evil we see them as now. It wasn't until the early 40's that the world even learned of the death camps etc. There were stories before that, but most people simply couldn't believe it.
    Communism was seen as a real threat world-wide.
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    VERY interesting perspective.....

    knowing what you know...and applying that to a future prediction. Will George Bush be tried for war crimes?
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    No. Why would he?

    If you're going to start that, do we need to put Clinton on trial? He bombed the Chinese embassy in Bosnia, a couple of empty office buildings in Iraq with no congressional authorization, and an aspirin factory in the Sudan.

    If you're going to put GWB on trial, how about every member of the Senate who voted to authorize the mission?

    And since we can't trust Bush because his grandfather was on a board of a bank that loaned Hitler money...what about Teddy Kennedy, who's father was spying for Hitler in London as the US ambassador?
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    Because Clinton didn't invade Iraq.
    Because the congress didn't cook the evidence.
    Ted Kennedy isn't the commander in chief.

    Those reasons.

    Its frickin hilarious that you claim that the Nazis weren't seen as criminals until the trials.

    what was that war about anyway?

    and its funny how you can't see the similarities between Bush and Hitler.

    again, and as usual we will agree to disagree, and see how this whole thing plays out.
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    Comparing a CIA facility for the detension of Senior Al Queda to the Auschweitz Death cmp? Wow what a nutjob.

    The Israeli Knessit didn't seem to find Bush an antisemite or disagree with his remarks given the enthusiastic applease the remark received.


    The dems must really feel Obama is an appeaser given their hysterical reaction to a remark that prob had to do with how to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah, than BHO being weak kneed. Oh Well they are probably whining now to innoculate BHO for the campaign this fall.
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    Ummmmmmmm.......not sure if you know what a black site is...or why they call them black sites. Or why the terms "extremists" and "enemy combatants" are used...

    want a hint?

    because they are breaking the fukcing LAW...and want to use legalese to weasel out of it. They are violating human rights. If they weren't they would be POWs. If we are in a WAR, and we collect prisoners from such a war, they have rights. are you honestly this fukcin blind?
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    So you can only be charged with war crimes if you invade a country? It's not a war crime to lob a couple of cruise missles into the heart of an enemy's capital city when you're not in a state of war?

    And congress didn't cook the evidence? Congress saw the same evidence GWB did. The same evidence Clinton had. The same evidence that led the UN towards 17 or 18 resolutions demanding Saddam disarm or else. Good grief man, think a little, please, I'm begging you. I get that you hate Bush. It's okay. But don't let that cloud your judgement this way.

    And no, Teddy isn't the CiC. But his brother was, and his other brother tried to be, just like he did. Now he's just a powerful senator, who collaborated with the Russians, trying to help them "deal" with Reagan.


    Explain that logic, HD.


    And I don't claim that the nazis weren't seen as the evil they were until later. It's a fact. Look it up if you don't believe me. As I said, there were some who saw it early on, but many didn't. Did you know there was a thriving American National Socialist Party here? They even had a big rally at Madison Square Garden in February of 1939. Something like 20,000 people showed up.

    It was a different time. You can't judge people in the past under today's filters, HD. I'm sorry, but you just can't. Hindsight is always 20/20, after all.
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    Actually they would be spies or saboteur since they don't wear uniforms. The rest is drivel since you don't know the basics.
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    “We can’t have leaks of classified information. It’s not in our nation’s interest.” - President George W. Bush, 10/9/01

    President Bush’s defiant statement came in the immediate weeks following 9/11, as the administration clamped down on the information it provided to Congress. President Bush issued an order limiting access to classified intelligence only to 8 members of Congress — the Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, and chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees.

    So at this slightest whiff of evidence that information was being leaked, President Bush pulled classified intelligence access for 92 senators. There was no ongoing criminal investigation nor was there evidence that all the members who had their access limited had leaked information.

    A CIA document obtained by NEWSWEEK provides further evidence that the US intelligence community had serious doubts about information from a high-level Qaeda detainee before the Iraq war.

    A CIA document shows the agency in January 2003 raised questions about an al Qaeda detainee’s claims that Saddam Hussein’s government provided chemical and biological weapons training to terrorists - weeks before President George W. Bush and other top officials flatly used those same claims to make their case for war against Iraq.

    But Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. And the commissions cited by officials, though concluding that the administration did not pressure intelligence analysts to change their conclusions, were not authorized to determine whether the administration exaggerated or distorted those conclusions.

    National security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, briefing reporters Thursday, countered “the notion that somehow this administration manipulated the intelligence.” He said that “those people who have looked at that issue, some committees on the Hill in Congress, and also the Silberman-Robb Commission, have concluded it did not happen.”

    But the only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions. And Judge Laurence H. Silberman, chairman of Bush’s commission on weapons of mass destruction, said in releasing his report on March 31, 2005: “Our executive order did not direct us to deal with the use of intelligence by policymakers, and all of us were agreed that that was not part of our inquiry.”

    But Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President’s Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community’s views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

    In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release. For example, the NIE view that Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote
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    The intel committe and congressional leadership got all the info.
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    #91 Jersey

    Is that the best you can do attack my spelling? I use to have a disclaimer about it. Anyway remember when you PM'd me about the POX thing like a whiney little girl? Well I thought I'd drop it but if you want to bring it back ok. :rocker:
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