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  1. Real World

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    Now isn't this interesting. This guy deserves to be criticized.


    Stephanopoulos: In the ad now running in Missouri, Jim Caviezel speaks in Aramaic. It means, "You betray me with a kiss." And his position, his point, is that actually even though down in Missouri they say the initiative is against cloning, it's actually going to allow human cloning.



    Fox: Well, I don't think that's true. You know, I campaigned for Claire McCaskill. And so I have to qualify it by saying I'm not qualified to speak on the page-to-page content of the initiative. Although, I am quite sure that I'll agree with it in spirit, I don't know, I— On full disclosure, I haven't read it, and that's why I didn't put myself up for it distinctly.



    But I've made this point before, and I really am sincere in it, that anybody who's prayed on this, and thought about it, and really considered it and can't get their mind around or their heart around the idea of embryonic stem cell research, I'd go to war for your right to believe that. And you're right to feel that. I respect it. I truly do.



    My point is, and our point as a community, is we have a very good and supportable conclusion that a vast majority of people in this country are in favor of science playing a leading role in making changes in the future and believe in embryonic stem cell research.



    So we're just saying, know that we have prayed on it, too, and we have thought about it, and we are good people, and we are family people, and we are people that take this very seriously, and we're as concerned as you are.



    And we've decided that we would like to take this step and to do it with caution and to do it with oversight and to do it with the strictest adherence to ethics and all of the principles this country stands for.



    But, allow us to do that without infusing the conversation with inflammatory rhetoric and name-calling and fear-mongering. It doesn't help.



    Stephanopoulos: Do you think there's any way to finally find common ground with people who do believe in the end that this is tampering with tiny lives?



    Fox: Well, again, the point has been made that these lives are going to be thrown away, anyway. They are marked for destruction — thousands of frozen embryos that are a byproduct of in vitro fertilization. We have routinely, before this conversation started on stem-cell research, we have for years thrown them away.



    And that's the other thing, you know, this idea of snowflake babies: We're in favor of that. The truth of the matter is that it is only going to account for a tiny fraction—


    http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2613377&page=2
     
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    One of the objections is that it allows cloning for medical research purposes. Ghoulish.

    Mengele must be in hell *****ing that he was just ahead of his time.
     
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    More on stem cell therapy and what works.

    http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2006/10/29/news/top_story/2e7d07194aa3f4b686257215005ab87b.prt

    Quotes instead of paragraphs, I urge you to read the entire human interest article:

     
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    Imagine "Cloning Hillary" :singing:

    George Bush should be Cloned, then he could be the President & The Vice President.
     
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    Dude, if you had a clue about molecular biology you would know that cloning is done every day in labs all over the world. Of course you don't understand what the term means, so your reference to Mengele is sickeningly ignorant.

    BTW...I use cloning, so don't tell me I don't know what Im talking about. Its simply the masses of uneducated americans (Thanks Reagan!) that get all giddy when the word "cloning" is mentioned because they've been taught erroneously by jesus freaks and their blind followers that it is akin to playing God.

    Well, my suggestion is to get a basic course in Biology 101 under your belt before you start opining on it and making yourself out to be a fool again.
     
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    As we learned after the Homeland Security Debacle congress does not read the bills they vote on either, or at least they claim they didn't CNN or Fox can give the highlights on the way to and from the airport.
     
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    RW...its really sad that you would align yourself with the extreme Rush Limbaugh wing of your party to score points in opposition of advancing stem cell research.

    I must have had you all wrong. I thought you were more moderate than that. You are referring to the bill that was Bushs sole veto that Congress overwhelmingly approved, correct??

    Why should Fox have to read something like that (like any of us would) instead of a canned version of what the bill entailed?? Especially since it had majority support in Congress???

    Jim Talent's is a minority opinion on this issue. Thats why he should go. To say that Fox deserves criticism for being on the side of majority opinion tells me that you don't care very much for the basic tenet of this democratic republic of ours.

    Interesting you should post this.
     
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    Well DUDE, I probably have more scientific training in my background tha you do.

    You are aware that some so caled 'ethicist are debating people being cloned for the purpose of harvesting body parts for original.
    How do you feel about that scinece dude?
     
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    If thats true, God help us. Certainly you would therefore know that we clone stuff everyday. Its a new thing you may not have heard of yet called genetic engineering.
     
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    To many there is a moral difference between genetically manipluating corn and cloning human beings for scientific expermentation. Apparently the difference elude Leftist today as it eluded National Socialist 70 years ago.
     
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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and state, based on your statement, that you would be lucky to pass High School biology in this day. Thats not meant as a personal attack. Just that this is obviously not your subject.

    As for responding to your bilge, I wouldn't know where to begin frankly.
     
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    I'm being serious here. If you do know about the issue, then educate some of us that may not. I for one do not know the specifics about Stem Cell reserch that others might. I know that the issue centers around Embryonic cells versus adult cells. For me there are ethical questions that have to be discussed. I'd prefer people discuss and debate the issue so that those of us who may be under, or misinformed, can better understand what it's all about.
     
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    Who am I aligning myself with? Rush is a goon. I can't stand the guy. My disdain for the man doesn't mean that he is incapable of making a valid point at times. Do you even know what bill I am refering to? This is about the Missouri Amendment that MJF did the ad in support for. He did an ad asking Missourians for their yes vote, tossed his support behind a Dem candidate (which he has every right to do), and then was criticized by those opposed to the bill. My problem with the issue, besides that I do oppose cloning, and am more to the end of being against Embryonic research (more so because I don't know enough to have a firm stance), is that people chastized criticisms of MJF because he is sick, which to me, makes no sense. Obviously unfortunate individuals should be given respect, but when you enter the political fray, you enter at your own expense. Remember, I'm all about accountability & repsonsibility. When you do an ad saying vote for my guy, and support this bill, and then it comes out that you never even read the bill, and have admitted to testifying in front of congress and purposely skipping your medication when doing so, you deserve criticism from the opposition.

    As for Stem Cell research, many people are ignorant like myself. Many do not understand the differences between adult versus embryonic. I've seen where the public supports stem cell research, but when informed about the differences, they oppose embryonic. Again, I've said this a zillion times in here, polls are what they are. I never read into them much because of how they tend to be presented. Most questions are "loaded", and are presented in a manner by which they will yield a slanted response. Not all polls are this way, but the majority are. Most polls are like revenue figures. You can usually manipulate them to look a little different than they actually are.
     
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    Instead of criticizing, how about enlightening. Maybe you could inform some of us who are not experts in this field so as to support your position. I'm truly curious about the issue and would like to understand the differing views.
     
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    Some people can't engage in coversation they only can slander and attack.
     
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    I really want to hear what people think about this topic and why. I've read about it a little bit, and there seems to be alot of misrepresentation going on. You hear there are break throughs coming, then you hear there are not. You hear adult cells are better, then you hear they are not. The talk about profitability wasa first, and is concerning to me. I trust businesses very little. I saw that the campaign in Missouri to pass the bill was funded by the company that would benefit financially from it passing. Not surprising of course, but it does make you wonder. The company gave $28 million dollars to the ad campaign. That's alot of cash.
     
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    A big part of the deceiption is implying that people who oppose enbryonic stem cell research oppose all stem cell research.

    Stem Cells thus far have produced ONLY tumors, NO Therapies whatsoever. There are a couple of porblems. The embryonic stem cells are 'programed' to grow. Scientist as thus far unable to control their frowth. Cels that have uncontrolls growth produce tumors. The secind problem is tissue rejection. The body of the patient rejects the foreign tissue.

    Interestigly when you use the stem cells of the patient, the tissue rejection isn't a big problem. Also scientist have been able to control the growth of adult stem cells.

    Problem is patenting adult stem cells from the patient.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    As we've all clearly seen in Star Wars, clones will eventually listen to an evil sith lord and attack wookies, and the jedi.

    NO to cloning!

    YES to Clowning!
     

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