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    After my masochistic side won out and I re-watched some parts of The Game That Shalt Not Be Named, there was one comment that stuck out to me by an unabashedly dejected Jimmie Johnson (remember, he is a FOB (Friend Of Bill) who has attended his Super Bowl practices and defended him after Spygate) during the post game show when Curt Menefee asked Jimmie if he had ever experienced such a disappointment, one which Belichick "described" to Chris Myers just before:

    "Well, everything's relative. I know it's on the collegiate level, but back when I thought I had the best college football team that ever played ('86 Hurricanes) the game and went undefeated through the regular season and was upset by Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl, I was devastated - never, ever got over it - but, one positive thing, just for the Patriots, the next year we came back undefeated again and won the National Championship, and so there is redemption, but I don't know if he'll ever get over this loss."

    Just a thought to consider for 2008.

    N.B.: One other thing I couldn't help but notice was how totally irrelevant the first 3 1/2 quarters of the game felt when watching them again. Sure, a better performance during that time would have benefited the Pats. However, the game still came down to three drives: the Patriots' scoring drive to Moss, the Giants' scoring drive to Burress, and the Patriots' failed last-ditch attempt.

    This is something I experience many times during games themselves too, especially this last one. Unlike the game thread where our members live and die with every play, I'm laid back and calm through 90% of the game, no matter if the Pats are up by 52 (see Redskins) or down by a few (Ravens). Undefeated or not, there was this overriding feeling that the Pats would pull through - and they usually did. Come Super Bowl XLII, I was casually watching Brady get sacked and throw incompletions, and even did a mock cheer for a Giants touchdown. That part of the game just had no relevance.

    Yet, when I finally looked up at the game clock in the fourth quarter, seeing there was only 6:00 left as the Pats drove down 10-7, the nervous attention and pacing began. The newfound 14-7 lead with 2-something left served only as a reconfirmation that the Patriots were in the drivers seat and would once again prevail. As you would imagine, this entire feeling came crashing down I saw see the ball floating into Burress' hands against a backdrop of Joe Buck's "WIDE OPEN IN THE ENDZONE...TOUCHDOWN GIANTS!!!" and a raucous, predominantly "sick-of-the-Patriots" crowd going crazy. Standing, hands on my knees, I twirled around and let out a growl as the desperate reality of the situation (vaguely present as Manning drove downfield) came rushing in like a tsunami. I found myself saying the same things I had a little more than a year before - "they have some timeouts (3), and Brady. Just watch." Still, even before Brady heaved up his fourth-down toss, I knew it was over.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    How sweet would this offseason have been sporting that 19-0 tag? I also wonder how would we have gone into next season, obviously we couldn't top an accomplishment like 19-0.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    19 and 0, ends all arguments
    18 and 1, is a punchline
    simple as that.
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    Thanks for whatever that was.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    I'm a PSU fan. You know what's funny about that game. It actually hurt PSU in the long term too. I feel it made the staff think they could win by playing conservatively. Miami kicked their butts up and down the field. Fortunately for us(PSU), and unfortunately for them. Vinny played like a drunken sailor, handing PSU the game. JJ should have recognized how poorly Vinny was playing and ran more. He had Highsmith and Bratton. They could have won a conservative game about 16-7. He tried to kill PSU and it didn't work.

    I hate it when Tom Bradley PSU def. coordinator keeps bringing that game up. He shows it to the team before big games. The defense caused turnovers, but Miami was able to move the ball all night. He still plays a soft zone and expects his db's to make turnovers. Athletes have gotten better over the years. Wr's and db's. You can't let them catch the ball and run. You have to attack the qb.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    sorry i'm off my meds, you were being optimistic...
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    No, 18-1 is a disappointment. 16-1 is a punchline.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    Sorry, they are both punchlines. 18-1, 17-1, 16-1, all of them.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    I am confused, neither is acceptable, but exactly how is 16 and one better. Is it along the lines of it is better to have loved and lost , then to have never loved at all... just wondering.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    The point is you'll never get over this game, ever. It will always be thier, but like bad medicine let's hope we choke it down with a couple more rings..;)
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    Good points in the original post. The final drive was really disappointing, though. If I posed the following scenario to you, I believe most Patriots fans would feel confident:

    Down by 3 in 4-down territory
    3 timeouts remaining
    Brady under center
    Moss, Welker, Gaffney and Watson as receivers
    Gostkowski as the kicker

    If they had attemped a FG and missed, I'd say those are the breaks, but they didn't even pick up any positive yardage in that scenario. A few more inches under a bomb and a miracle catch by Moss would've made all that a distant memory, but it just didn't seem like Patriots football at that moment.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    Dude, what the hell is wrong with you. Go find another board.

    Pats1 - GREAT post! I feel ya, proud of you to be able to watch the game. I still can't do it.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    Unless something never seen before happens, this loss will never be avenged. They could aways win the super bowl but it'll never make what could have been any better. It'll heal the pain from it, but that was immortality. Hey, I don't give a **** if they go 9-7 next year. What ever they do to win the super bowl I'd be happy. I hope this team takes everything and turns it into a fire, not dissapointment.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    How about a re-match next year? We win by 49? Am I reaching here?? I'm still sad. Very sad.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    If we can go 18-0 and face anyone in the Super Bowl, I'd love it to be the Giants again.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    I just wish like everyone else, that it was 8 weeks ago, and we are playing the super bowl.. Since this is april's fool day, can some one say that Feb 3rd 2008 was a april fools joke:mad:
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    For some of those who are still on the ledge - consider the top 3 teams of all-time in NFL history: the 72 Fins, the 85 Bears and the 84 49ers. Go find a Dolphin fan, a Bears fan and a 49ers fan and ask them about their feelings about the upcoming season. You'll feel MUCH better, trust me.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    49ers and Dolphins fans know their teams blow, and will admit as much. I was in Illinois when the season ended for da Bears and there was a ridiculous amount of unwarranted confidence in their abilities to win a championship this upcoming season. In short, they are delusional.

    But we all know they're going to suck. Muahaha. :D
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    I also really thought Brady would somehow lead the team to a FG with 35 seconds, Randy Moss and all 3 time outs at his disposal.
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    Re: One post-XLII Jimmie Johnson comment to consider

    But had Brady been Brady, it would never have come down to that in the first place.
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