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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    The buyback is an interesting approach.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    :disagreement::disagreement:what part of that article is nonsense? seems every other team IS making deals to lock in their players. I don't see the patriots doing it. that may be their plan, but eventually they will lose good (and great) players because of it. I also think it affects players on the field. they can see and their attitude is affected.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    The part where anyone thinks Borges is doing anything buy trying to stir up bitter contract impasses.

    Sells scandal sheets, you know.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Borges loves the role of resident contrarian.. ever since he was passed over by BB years ago, he is unable to let it go...he needs to move on, or stay stuck on BB vitriol.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Could someone who knows the forum really well (mods) find and bump that killer thread explaining why Kraft may look forward to an uncapped year? This may help shed some light on this situation to people who haven't a clue.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    An uncapped year is overly friendly to the owners. Players remain RFAs longer (6 years instead of 3 or 4, I believe). Players can only get certain pay increases (30% year over year, I believe). Also, there is no minimum. Right now, no NFL team is allowed to be like the TB Rays.

    The NFLPA's goal is to get as much money into as many NFL player's hands as possible. With an uncapped year, there will be a setback, because less players will make less money.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    [Hi there, Ron! :rolleyes:]

    I got up this morning, took a leak, noticed that the sun had risen in the East and that Ron Borges was still bitter and twisted.

    The idea that the Patriots are being inconsistent because they make a very team-friendly deal with Nick Kaczur (reduces immediate cap and doesn't carry significant downside risk) but are holding off on things that will cost serious money is just so obviously absurd not even a Herald reader could fail to notice.

    Are you that desperate for ways to diss the Patriots, Ronnie? I mean, honestly, I could do a better job of being a buzzkill. Rip them for getting shafted on the Cassel trade, for shipping out Hobbs without being sure of what else they have in the cornerback cupboard, for assuming that they would be signing Jason Taylor. Any of that would at least have a little bit of plausibility. But this ...
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Pretty much everyone on there is crap.

    This, for example:

    Except that Kazcur's cap number just went down, so it DID make the box bigger.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    It may be the NFL's preseason, but Borges is already in mid-season form. Second guessing Brady's return two days ago, and now pulling a page from his 2006 xeroxed archives by implying Kraft is cheap, the front office is incompetent, and the Pats are doomed because they treat their players so badly.

    Perhaps the first line of the article should read "I am a contrarian" rather than "Life is a contradiction."
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Unless I'm missing something (and please point it out to me if I am), the article basically says that the Krafts are evaluating their options in an uncertain environment and are making the deals that they think will be in their long term best interests and holding off on others. The only noteworthy thing about the article is that it tries to make that a big deal, but we expect nothing else from Borges and the Horrald. So, what's the point?
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    Actually, you're correct, Peter.

    Players attitudes towards the Patriots are affected by how they do business.

    After all, in the past three years, all the Patriots could attract in FA were: Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, Kelley Washington, Sam Aiken, Lamont Jordan, Shawn Springs, Leigh Bodden, Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, Tully Banta Cain (who was a PREVIOUS cap-casualty - - talk about a masochist!!!!), Adalius Thomas, Delthea O'Neal, Tank Williams, Rosie Colvin (another- - like TBC), Joey Galloway, Greg Lewis, Junior Seau....and a whole lot more that don't come to mind.

    Players who have re-signed with the Pats during that time (not including the already mentioned, previously kissed off TBC), Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Randy Moss, Sammy Morris, James Sanders, Tedy Bruschi, Matt Light, Dan Koppen.... and more.

    Yeah, the Patriots are truly shunned by NFL players who have a choice. ;)

    Peter, if you actually look, you'll notice that NO OTHER TEAM in the NFL gets FA's to come to them at BELOW market contracts than the Patriots. It's not even close - - second place is miles behind them.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Not sure which thread you are referring to; perhaps one of these?
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...o-patriot-veteran-extensions-because-cba.html
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...226001-opinion-pats-want-uncapped-2010-a.html
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/225397-don-banks-uncapped-2010-a.html

    And a few other decent threads on the subject:
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...s-may-not-understand-about-uncapped-year.html
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...al-eight-plan-implications-uncapped-year.html
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/233143-uncapped-year-question.html
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Ok, so Wilfork doesn't buy Kraft's reasoning for being leary of making long-term, big dollar commitments. lets look at the tale of the tape.

    -Wilfork is an outstanding NT and by all accounts a great father, husband and person. I'd love to have him as my neighbor. He has no business traingin whatsoever.

    -Borges is a sportswriter/columnist who speaks his mind. That is his right and what he is paid to do. By all accounts, he has not experience running an NFL front-office, high-finance or any business training whatsoever.

    -Bob Kraft is a multi-billionaire, Columbia grad w/ an MBA in finance who negotiated a $17 billion dollar tv deal for the NFL. In addition, he has a complete understanding of the CBA and what an uncapped year means as it relates to supply vs demand for players, salaries and risk to his business in an uncertain economic climate.

    These sportswriters (including Reiss who seemed to be carrying Vince's water today by saying that the Pats should not franchise Vince) need to step back and look at the big picture and truly quantify who is really right in this scenario.

    IMO I'd love to see the Pats lock up Vince, Mankins and Seymour. We all would. But if someone told me that you can't do that or that if you wait, you would pay them either 20% less that what you would pay now or receive draft picks if you franchise them, and the long term result would be greater profitability, mitigated risk to my business AND still fielding a SB-caliber team, as CEO the direction I would take seems to be a no-brainer.

    My .02$.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Nice link. The more people that click on Borges articles, the better his rep with the Herald, and the more articles they have him write. Why not synopsize what he said for those of use who are so stuck in the past we don't click on Herald links?

    For the future. I have all I need to know about this one by the comments of guys who did add to Borges growing influence with the Herald.
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    Thank you, Robert. Great summation.

    Anyone have any issues with that?
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    The Reiss column today struck more of chord with me than Borges. Yes. They did set a precident with Asante in 07 by not franchising him. They also set a precident by promising not to franchise Bodden. The problem is that those players threatened not to play for the Pats. The Pats saw that as a major risk to their success for the following season and acted accordingly. Could they have avoided that w/ Asante by locking him up in 06? I'm sure they tried, but I believe he wanted big bucks and the Pats chose not to commit big money to him.

    Until Vince pushes the envelope but walking out of camp, the Pats don't have to do a damn thing. He is also under contract and would be fined.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Point taken, will not link to any Herald articles anymore. For everyone else, this stuff is way about my Jarhead brain. I just hate matter-of-fact negative know-it-alls like Borges. KILLS me.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    In all fairness, if you want to read a Borges article, you should give Borges credit for writing something that you want to read. Borges makes money by being a contrarian, and getting people to disagree with him.

    I remember a quote from the Howard Stern movie (I'm paraphrasing here...)
    "Youre average radio listener listens to a station for 20 minutes. Your average Howard lover listens to him for 2 hours. Reason: Just to see what he'll say next. Your average Howard hater listens to him for 2.5 hours. Reason: Just to see what he'll say next.". When you do entertainment, you want to be loved or hated. The middle will get you fired.

    Regardless if Borges is popular or not, he generates page views and revenue. Mostly because you disagree with his points of view so vehemently that you MUST read his pieces to formulate arguments against them.
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    Re: Once AGAIN, Ron Borges shows us his "football intelligence is on par with that ..

    Very good point, and it is impossible to stay away. :disagreement:
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