Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by dryheat44, Jun 20, 2007.
I've read his 40s were in the 4.50-4.58 range. I'm still looking for more details.
That'll move him down quite a lot for many teams - I wonder what his splits were, we all know that's what the Patriots care about. I realize he's a bigger CB but that's still slowish.
And we may have a new name to consider, although I don't think the Pats would be much interested:
Not sure about the Patriots' lack of interest, they haven't added any quality to the OL this offseason, just quantity most likely for the bench or PS and this was in the article :
"An NFL scout, who was attending former Georgia cornerback Paul Oliver's workout in Athens, Ga., on Wednesday, said Gaither would be the most desirable player available if he enters the supplemental draft."
Kaczur and O'Callaghan are OK but they're clearly upgradeable.
Gaither is raw..hes huge and hes quick(runs under 4.9 i believe) The problem: RAW. He needs to work on his overall game to polish up and experience
were also interested in Chris Patrick, Nebraska Guard.
Asante can't be much, if any faster, than those times. If Oliver can hold Johnson and Rice to their worst performances of the season - he probably plays a lot faster than his times indicate.
Oliver might be good but I read on one board (footballsfutre.com I think) that Georgia shut Johnson down more by harassing the awful Reggie Ball than by actual shutdown CB work. I'd find a link but it was weeks ago so it's probably buried.
Actually, here's the thread :
All this is true, but it seems that the Patriots draft older linemen with some polish to their games. I can't recall them using a high pick on a project. In fact, I'm not sure they've drafted a non-senior lineman.
Also, only a 33.5 inch vertical. This guy is definitely more football player than athlete.
And here's the write-up by Lenny P via GBN:
According to a report by Len Pasquarelli over at ESPN Georgia CB Paul Oliver did not have a very impressive outing when he worked out in front of over two dozen NFL scouts and personnel people prior to next monthâ€™s supplemental draft. Oliver, who been listed at over 6 feet and almost 210 pounds by the school, actually measured in at just 5-10.5 and 195 pounds. Worse for Oliver, he only ran in the mid-to-high 4.5 range for the 40, with at least one team reportedly timing in over 4.6 seconds. Oliver also didnâ€™t score all that well in some of the other tests posting just a 33-inch vertical leap and a 3-cond drill time of over 7.3 seconds. For the record, that time in the 3-cone drill would have been the second worst among CBs at this yearâ€™s scouting combine, while the vertical leap would also have been in the lower third of combine participants at the position. Prior to the workout, Oliver had been graded in the second round area but that is likely to drop.
I'm a big believer in the cone drills and the other "quickness" drill over the 40 times. The fact that he measured WELL under the 6' he was listed at, AND was unimpressive in the quickness drills, makes me understand why the Pats were never mentioned as being interested in this kid.
I guess the discussion of where the Raiders' #3 will fall for us is moot
Based on how Supplemental Drafts usually go and his across the board poor to mediocre numbers I bet Oliver is looking at a mid-late Day Two pick, around the 6th round, maybe the 5th.
If he doesn't have a better private workout with someone, he'll more likely go undrafted. Then he can see who'll bring him to camp for a tryout.
Just as a point of reference, Samuel ran a 4.49 -40, with splits of 2.66-20 and 1.59-10.
The height and weight thing are the most disturbing to me. This kid was attractive because he had such good size, but it turns out it's only average at best. I don't see how schools think they are helping players by inflating their measureables so they just end of dissapointing when they are weighed and measured on their pro days.
Combine that with his mediocre drill numbers and "academic issues," and I say "no thanks."
A dumb question for some, maybe:
Last year, Brooks put up similarly unimpressive measureables for the supp., despite his prior regard as a 1st round type talent...
Is there any validity to the thought that the weird timing of the draft may affect performance? You would assume that they would train as they would for the amateur draft, but perhaps the extended off-season throws a kink?
It's definitely something to consider. It has been so long since these players have even played a snap in a college game and that could have something to do with it. I can't really remember a supplemental draft player ever putting up impressive numbers at a workout. At the same time, I can't really remember a supplemental draft player ever having a large impact in the NFL (aside form the USFL holdovers like Steve Young).
Bernie Kosar, Jamal Williams
Yeah that's true.
I guess it just seems like people get excited about certain players every year but they rarely pan out. But there are the few success stories.
Well looks like my prediction of no higher than a 4th round bid on Oliver is looking more and more likely with the reports of his workout results.
Oliver's stock has got to be pretty low now.
I mean how many teams salivate over the prospect of a 5'10 corner that runs the 40 between 4.55 and 4.6 seconds and posts a 7.3 second 3 cone?
He sounded a lot better when we thought he was 6' and rumors floated that he possibly could run with the likes of Calvin Johnson.
However now it turns out that CJ's lack of success was probably more due to his QB being on his back all game long rather than Oliver's stifling presence.
And Oliver turned out to be nowhere near 6' as his school bio reported.
I'd agree with above poster's valuation of a 5th or 6th rounder.
With that low of an investment it might be worth taking a flyer.
The guy might just not measure out well in tests.
But mediocre measurements, slow agility times, combined with the academic issues don't make for a very attractive package at this point.
You'd have thought that Oliver would have been motivated to prepare himself to put on a more impressive workout.
If he had run a 4.3 40 and had a 6.9 3 cone I don't think anybody would have cared as much that he only turned out to be 5'10.
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