Welcome to PatsFans.com

Oliver Stone to Create 10-Part Documentary on 'Secret History of America'

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by maverick4, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    [The controversial director is creating a 10-part documentary series for Showtime titled "Secret History of America."

    Narrated by Stone, the series promises to focus on events that "at the time went under-reported, but crucially shaped America's unique and complex history of the last 60 years," according to Showtime.

    Subjects will include President Harry Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan, the origins of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, to "the fierce struggle between war and peace in America’s national security complex."]

    Oliver Stone revealing 'Secret History of America' --The Live Feed
    ----------

    Wouldn't hurt if he went back a few or several decades and included the genocide of a continent of Native Americans, while he's at it.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  2. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    should be interesting, but also thoroughly fact-checked for Stone-isms...

    i like the guy, and his bravery... his overall message is spot on.

    there are three kinds of Americans, in my opinion:

    - those who are oblivious to the criminal history of the U.S. empire
    - those who are aware of it, but ultimately A-OK with it...
    - and those who are disgusted by it, and spread awareness about it so that it's never forgotten.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  3. alvinnf

    alvinnf Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +2 / 1 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    Which criminal part of the empire. The one that ousted the indians. The one that enslaved blacks. The empire that allowed France to continue speaking French. How about the one that churned through immigrant workers during the industrial revolution. Seems to me like we all have a dog in the fight. Put me down for choice number two!
  4. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    Why stop there? Why not go back to England and out everything bad that happened while we were still there...oh wait we weren't there...our ancestors were. :eek:

    My bad.
  5. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    I think the period of time since we've become the most powerful country in the world is what's relevant here. The Empire time frame.

    The past 60 years is quite sufficient. Let's not extrapolate too much.
  6. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    It wasn't my idea! Look up...;)

    But I see the point, we are terrible criminals who have never done any good and everything we are, do and standfor are bad. Does that sum it up? :confused:
  7. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    I think Americans need a more realistic view of our own history. The "we are the moral light of the world" mentality ingrained into us from childhood, ends up being used for imperialistic/hegemonic ends globally.
  8. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    exactly...

    mgcolby, it's lazy debate to have such a black or white, "with us or with the terrorists" outlook on U.S. morals ... no one said the U.S. doesn't do anything right or moral... but it's no "beacon of light"
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  9. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    I'm not being lazy, just pointing out how it comes across the majority of the time.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  10. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    well, how things "come across" and what is actually said are the responsibility of the responder to accurately deduce.
  11. wistahpatsfan

    wistahpatsfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    15,675
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -1

    #75 Jersey

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    You missed one:
    - those who are aware of it, are not OK with it, realize that it is in the past, and do their best to not allow it to happen again. See modern Lakota Reservation status. See corporate control of foreign military ops.
  12. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    I think there's a fourth kind. The first two you listed are basically brainwashed sheep or extreme nationalists, the manipulated masses who keep fascism strong in the country. The third type you listed, includes many patriotic Americans but I would categorize this type as also including those individuals who actually are anti-American. I think there is a fourth kind, where I would put myself, which is those who are aware of America's dark history, past and present, and who use this information to see global/international issues in context, rather than buy into the US propaganda (especially when it pertains to war or some action which has geopolitical benefit).
  13. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    Haha. nice. So what did I incorrectly deduce from what was said in this thread?

    60 years of secret history of america and the OP suggested that enough bad stuff wasn't in there, by saying we should go back to when we killed all the Indians. No?

    Then you took it one step further and put everyone into three neat little categories, none of which highlighted any positives of what America has done.

    So where is the balance of good vs bad in this thread? Because I clearly couldn't deduce it from what was...you know...actually stated. :confused:
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  14. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    To add to my post about the fourth type, I think mccolby is a great example of the second type, he acknowledged it himself. However, in my opinion, the second type is probably the most disturbing type of American by far among the four. Dick Cheney is a type two.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  15. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    I did? I think you are a racist, I mean after all you acknowledged it yourself as much as I acknowledged I was number 2. But **** it why let facts get it in the way.
  16. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    In what way am I racist?

    By the way I meant alvinnf, who posted above yours, I got the two mixed up.
  17. mgcolby

    mgcolby Woohoo, I'm a VIP!!! PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,606
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    I don't know, just thought you provided as much evidence of being a racist in this thread as I did of being a #2.

    Ok, well that explains that.
  18. Patsfanin Philly

    Patsfanin Philly Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    6,722
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +38 / 0 / -0

    #95 Jersey

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    Count me in with this class.
    I wonder if Mr. Stone will show those Americans getting on rickety rafts and inner tubes leaving our shores and those others crossing hot deserts at night going to Mexico because how terrible it is here. Oh wait, they're doing that to come to this country...my bad.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  19. alvinnf

    alvinnf Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +2 / 1 / -0

    Re: Oliver Stone to Create 10-Hr Documentary of 'Secret History of America'

    Wow, that's so big of you. It's so funny to be surrounded by such globalized Americans, in tune with a one world order. Me I like being amonst the sheep.

    You see we are all like lambs disporting ourselves under the watchful eye of the butcher. Who first chooses one and yet another for it's prey. It is in good days that we are unaware of the evil fate has in store for us. Sickness, death, loss of sight and reason!
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2009
  20. sdaniels7114

    sdaniels7114 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    5,742
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    Stone was fine in '91 when I was a 22 year old who thought the USA could do no wrong. JFK shocked me into learning that my nation could and did f up from time to time. I'm older now though and at this point I prefer a storyteller who's more honest with the facts. I guess he has value to those who need to be slapped in the face though. I just don't feel I'm one of them anymore.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>