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  1. Lifer

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    Obama needs to calm the uptight Hillary white women voters.

    to that end, one possibility is a very effective Governor, Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

    To shore up Pennsylvania, and reach out again to Clinton supporters, Ed Rendell.

    And to add a heavyweight balance, either Sam Nunn of Georgia or Joe Biden of Delaware.

    discuss............
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    I don't think it will be a woman or a fellow senator. He'll have enough problems without making it only the second ticket with a woman, and he's smart enough to know that senators make lousy executives.

    Look for Bill Richardson, to bring a wealth of experience to the table.

    Look also for Bloomberg as a surprise choice.
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    Bloomberg would be a very exciting choice.

    however......can you just imagine the Clintons reaction to a Richardson selection? hahahaha
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    how about this....

    and it may make Obama unbeatable if you think about it...


    Caroline Kennedy.
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    Nope. No experience...one of the only people on the planet with less experience than he himself has, and he'll have enough trouble with whispers about assassination without adding a Kennedy name to his signs.
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    AS far as libs go, I find Sebelius palatible :D. I'd be suprised if he picked her, but she would be a good choice.
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    Kinda like what Bill Richardson would bring to the table, western influence, inside the beltway experience and knowledge of energy issues...

    OTOH think he might want to bring on someone, not sure who, that would bring some foreign policy knowledge.
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    Now there's something to make millions of Americans pack up and move to Italy.

    :bricks:
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    Jim Webb, for obvious reasons..
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    how about robert byrd...
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    I like Sebelius, but it's bad geography. I think Jeb Bush would be a good one.
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    That would balance the ticket, for sure.
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    Hillary should join McCain after the "Racist Screwing" she just took from her loyal worshipping Democrat Friends.

    Mccain/Clinton-the winning team, Hillary could stick it right up Oprah's fat a$s and send Prince Obama strutting back to the Trinity Church.

    GOD DAMN AMERICA
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    Look up "UN" and "Bill Richardson".

    :D
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    I think he'd like to pick John Edwards, but probably won't. Bill Richardson makes the most sense to me. He's got the type of experience that Obama needs around him. I'd prefer Richardson over everyone else. He's certainly the most reasonable person out there. Very likable too. Also, don't forget names like Evan Bayh, Jim Webb (thin record so doubtful), Janet Napolitano, Tom Vilsack... Whomever he picks, he needs to do two things. Not alienate voters, and find someone who has what he doesn't, experience.
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    Yes, but look at the two overriding issues of this election in the eyes of the voters:

    #1 Economy: McCain has, shall we say, already stuck his foot in his mouth with the "E" word, so Obama can take him there.

    #2 Iraq: Obama would not have a better bludgeon to hit at McCain vis a vis Iraq than James Webb. This is the military man who could blunt the false flag-wrapping "the Dems aren't patriotic enough" drive that the Republicans will engage in (book it - expect it, like the Swallows returning to Capistrano each spring). Electorally, Obama's biggest weakness would be McCain calling him a non-server who wants to duck and run. Let James Webb bring some depth to that discussion.
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    I'm not sure McCain would do it, but there's a ton of stuff to go after Webb on. I personally don't like him--when he was the SecNav he did some really stupid stuff that hurt the early war on terror.

    Don't forget, Shmess, apparently one of your favorite "republicans" has been mentioned as a potential running mate for both guys, as recently as this past week.

    Mayor Bloomers.
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    Much as I respect Bloomers, Obama-Bloomberg is still too ethnic a ticket for the American electorate. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but Bloomberg doesn't really have much of a national defense cache. Obama will need that to stave off the star-spangled mud that will be tossed his way by the ton this fall.
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    What Bloomers lacks in national defense he makes up for in bank account. Speculation is that he could spend upwards of a billion dollars of his own money, were he to get on either ticket.
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    For the first time in almost forever, money on hand is not a problem for the Dems this time around. Honestly, he's a better choice for McCain. He could help his "Economics Understanding" deficit in the eyes of the electorate.
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    How do you figure he can take him on the economy? What does Obama know about economics? Has he ever run anything? Nope. One thing we do know, is that Obama is a liberal, and will easily be painted as one. What does the public think about liberals? Tax increases and more government. So while McAmnesty is right on about his own economic credentials, he's still ahead of the green Obama, simply bcuz he's respected by the public on his position regarding low taxes, and earmarks. Call it a wash if anything, since both have ZERO executive experience, and know very little about economics. Personally (on economics), I'll take the guy who's proposing lower taxes, and less spending, than the one who wants to increase taxes, and add spending. Again though, either way, niether knows didly, which is why VP choices will be critical, and why Romney polls well as a choice for McCain. Don't think that who McAmnesty picks, won't affect who Obama chooses in kind, or vice versa. VP choices will play a vital role in this election. More so than before.

    How does Webb give Obama himself military credibility? Webb would certainly serve to add military experience to the ticket, but he won't blunt any criticism aimed directly at Obama. What your doing is hoping it will, cuz you support Obama, and want it too. For example, adding Romney in McAmnesty's views, would serve to make the "ticket" more economically capable, but it won't make McAmnesty an economist. It would make the ticket more appealing to anti-immigrationists, but it won't make McAmnesty anti-illegal immigration. Adding a VP choice balances a ticket, but it doesn't change the individual candidate that's running for POTUS. Personally, I like Webb. He's a conservative, middle of the road, traditional democrat. I said when he was elected that it would be interesting to see if he stuck to his principles, or morphed into a party politician. I'm not sure if he's changed or not. At any rate, Webb would be a terrific choice were Obama a former executive, or governor. He's not though. Tell me how a Webb/Obama ticket encourages the average american who's #1 concern is their wallet, and the nations economy? Right now niether candidate stands out as an Adam Smith, which leads me to believe that one ticket having an economic mind over another, would be a significant advantage. Webb would work with an Evan Bayh or Bill Richardson led ticket. Webb doesn't work for similar reasons that Condoleeza doesn't for McAmnesty. That doesn't mean niether would be the choice, as they each has appeal. It simply means that there are more important qualities that need to be covered. I'd say Obama's choice is more critical to his chances than McCains. Obama is both green, and liberal. He's got more balancing to do than an older, moderate, military guy like McCain. McAmnesty has lots, and lots of holes though. Both do IMO.
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    Bloomberg is an idiot.
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    no argument
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    Fairly or unfairly (I'm talking electoral politics here) Obama has McCain checkmated on the issue of the US Economy right now.

    1) 7.5 years of a Republican administration and tax cuts and look at the dollar, gas prices, inflation, health care, etc.

    2) McCain's own foot in mouth comment about his understanding of economics.

    I'm not saying it is fair. I'm saying that perception by the electorate is checkmated at this point in favor of Obama regarding the Economy. It's about as fair as 2004 Bush "the great soldier" denigrating that "peace-hippy awol" John Kerry.
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    Except McCain has shown his willingness to get advice on the economy, we still don't know what Obama would do.
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    You're dreaming. He's going to try, as he currently is, to paint McCain as Bush Redux. That's certainly smart on his part, and will earn him some points no doubt. The problem is, and as I've said before in this forum, that pointing a finger at the other guy, only gets you so far. At some point, you need to point at yourself, and discuss what you are going to do. This is a presidential election, and not some national gig where congressional seats are at stake. These two individuals will be heard from, and their position & power are unparalleled in the country and world. I'd say it's an advantage, or maybe an avenue, that Obama can exploit, but you can't point a finger till November. It works now cuz he's not the nominee yet, and not everyone is paying attention. When you go heads up, you're defined by specifics, or lack there of. Look at 2004 as a simple example. Kerry was ahead of GW in early polling, yet lost the election by 3 million votes. Was that because GW was such an exceptional candidate, or was it cuz Kerry scared the bejesus out of everyone when he was put under the microscope? I'd like to think it was the latter. I know it was for me. Obama will pose some of the same problems Kerry faced. That rhetoric, and pointing a finger, will only get you so far. Ultimately, how you specify your positions and policy, will be what makes, or breaks you. He very well could win, and by a landslide, but the idea that he's got McAmnesty checkmated with respect to the economy, is wishfull thinking. This is a presidential election. There is always a microscope.
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    Sorry, RW. The 2004 US Economy is a FAR cry (pun intended) from what we see right now.

    We're also 4 more years separated from 9/11.

    4 years deeper into Iraq.

    The dollar is 40% weaker versus the Euro since then.


    Here's a headline from May 2004: NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Don't look now, but $2 a gallon gas is here.
    http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/gas_prices/index.htm
    (btw, by election day, avg gas price per gallon in the US was $1.91)



    Comparing Kerry in 2004 and what he had to work with re: our country's situation and what Obama can point at is not a very workable analogy......and McCain's professional advisors are smart enough to know that. McCain is going to have to stay away from the Bush economic record as much as possible. Whether it is fair or not, electorally Joe Schmoe Voter (for the most part) is going to lump McCain in with the Bush economic record far more than he will with Obama. Coattails.
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    Lee Atwater, Jim Carville, Karl Rove and their 5-straight election winning streak say hi!
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    I just wonder if the sheer length of this election season will impact the ability of negativity to be effective. I think part of Obama's charm thus far has been that he's managed to be optimistic and hopeful appearing.

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