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    Good Lord, holy sh!t, the NY Times said we might win the war, liberals will be setting themselves on fire all over the Streets of Cambridge & Frisco.
    Poor Auntie Pelosi and her little tribe of Grinning sore losing scumbags, their little world very well may come crashing down around them, will Bush leave office an International Hero even bigger than Reagan?


    News Today:
    Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory” but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.

    After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated — many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.

    Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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    "Communism cannot be defeated."

    "Hitler is too powerful for anyone to stop him."

    "Japan is too determined, they will fight to the last man. We cannot defeat them."



    That's right, HB. Imagine that!! Bush's daddy, looking like a hero, went down as people forgot all about Desert Storm and elected Billy Bubba (Hubba, hubba, who "... never had sex with that woman").

    Bush, Jr., looks like fried dough at the ancient Salisbury Beach seedy amusement park, but you never know what you never know. Or, as Yogi says: "It ain't over 'til it's over."

    Stay tuned, folks.


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    Ann Richards after she lost to GW Bush, she said, "Never Underestimate Little George Bush".
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    I say, Ann Richards was a prophet.



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    She was also a Pretty Good Democrat, I liked her, probably because she was a drunk, I love drunks, I have a lot of fun with them.
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    Which is why most soldiers were calling for a surge for well over a year.
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    Good quote!



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    Looks like we got the target bracketed pretty good.




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    I wouldn't get all giddy guys. There are some signs of progress yes, but it's not nearly a dent in what needs to happen, and what needs to get done. This is a comprehensive issue over there. The surge is only a part of that process. Plus, all it takes is a couple of bombings and everything changes.
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    desperate guys like Harry and Fog are most certainly gonna cling to anything they can get their hands on... nevermind that this OP-ED has been roundly brought back to reality... it would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad...

    John Murtha's reaction to the story:

    “It’s not getting better. It’s rhetorical, is what’s getting better,” Murtha said. “It’s an illusion.” Watch it:

    “They were there for seven days,” Murtha said. In order to sustain the escalation, troops would see their tours extended from 15 months to 18 months, he added.

    Pollack and O’Hanlon have lept into the open arms of the mainstream media and have been given a forum to present their views largely without opposition. Together, they appeared on at least nine major mainstream media outlets in the past 24 hours.

    A list of their media appearances:

    Network Program
    Pollack
    CBS Evening News
    CNN Newsroom
    CNN Situation Room
    MSNBC Tucker
    NPR Talk of the Nation

    O’Hanlon
    CBS Early Show
    CBS Evening News
    Fox News Special Report
    MSNBC Hardball


    Of the stations mentioned above, only MSNBC’s Hardball forced the analysts to debate an opposing viewpoint. On Hardball, Center for American Progress fellow Brian Katulis called out O’Hanlon for writing a “propaganda piece” and “cherry-picking the facts on Iraq.”

    The mainstream media is also calling these two news jackals former "harsh critics of the Bush administration." However, they each have a long track record of glowing reports on the war.

    The media are ignoring the two men’s records. Pollack authored a pre-war book, which he described as “the case for invading Iraq.” Similarly, prior to the invasion, O’Hanlon predicted “a rapid and decisive” victory.
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    further... who is surprised that a coordinated military endeavor is showing signs of progress? the problem was never the "clear" part... it was always the "hold and build" part...
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    PC, the king of Op-ed's pooh poohing an Op-ed cus Murtha say's so.

    The guy that wants us to re-deploy to Okinowa so that our troops will "at the ready". Never mind it's about million miles away. Murtha's a joke.
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    here's a direct challenge: find my last op-ed link... do you even know what an op-ed is?... thinkprogress snippets are not op-eds... good try, however...
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    Think progress is a lefty SMEAR site. TRY to pretend they are the least bit objective. I WANNA hear that one.
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    in other words: in your routine failure to ever address the direct challenge, you don't really know WHAT an op-ed is, and you can't find one from me recently... otherwise, your pissy "gotcha" attempt was spot on... lol

    i've certainly presented an op-ed in the past... but thinkprogress news monitoring is not an op-ed... and your assertion that i'm the "king of" op-eds is, well, typically overdramatic...
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    Way to change the subject :rolleyes:

    No, us dump righties (and me specifically, right :rolleyes: ) don't know what Op-ed's are, even though they appear daily in newspapers across the nation. Think progress is a lefty SMEAR BLOG, that post's lefty smear OPINIONS based on news stories. In fact, your initial claim in this thread was that the NYT article was sufficiently "debunked" by MURTHA, who was spouting nothing more then his fukcing OPINION. Which has to be, in your OPINION, true.

    You're the king of Sh!tty left smear link that spout NOTHING but anti-bush rhetoric. You can pretend otherwise, but until you acknowledge that there is an other side and SOME of what they say may in fact be true. YOU"LL NEVER be viewed as anything but the Anti-Bush zombie, incapable of rational and reasonable dialog.
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    i believe it was you who changed the subject... anyhow, when you're done hyperventilating, tell us something that "your side" has been correct about? you're the zombie here...

    needless to say, thank you for differentiating between an op-ed in a daily NEWSpaper and a blog site... you've refuted your own sorry claim..

    still waiting for you to present that link to my last op-ed link from a publication...

    lastly, you Bush Leaguers can say what you like about think progress; the rest of us know better... they provide audio and video you can't deny; with your party of choice, caught in lie after lie after lie... i know it's frustrating for you...
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    Who the hell ever said those things? You put them in quotes, who are you referencing? I've never seen those quotes before.
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    So we're now attempting to achieve 'sustainable stability?' Isn't this something like the 9th time the goal in Iraq has changed? Why can't we just declare victory and leave?

    Oh yeah. The 'declare victory and leave' part is scheduled for 3 months before the '08 election.
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    the war on terrorism is unwinnable

    because terrorism isn't a country, it's an ideal

    and the next time they bring it to your dsoorstep you'll realize this

    it happens...people forget, get happy again, let their defenses down, then it happens again, and it will, sadly, to remind everyone that the war on terrorism is unwinnable

    you can't cure crazy , and you can't stop the US from oppressing people
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    Love that one. Right out of the 60's communist hand book. The US is not perfect and we have made mistake over our history.

    However, more people in the world have achieved their freedom than any time in the history of mankind, because there is a US. That is why there are more people trying to get in to the US than anywhere else, so they can be opressed.:eek:
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    You'll never eliminate crime either, so what's your point? Should we not police our streets? Just because you can't eliminate something, doesn't mean that you ignore it, or do nothing to combat it.
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    I know. I think we could stop the flow of so many people trying to come here simply by sending them all the bad USA posts on this board alone.
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    I think it's clear from the context that he is representing the opinions of many people during the time periods we were at war with those respective powers, and not necessarily quoting any one specific individual.

    I am surprised that wasn't obvious to everyone...

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