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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    Remarkably, the 2011 Draft is less than a week old, and we already get this tasty gem from SI.com:

    Mounts Vollmer, Solder, and Cannon say hi! :p

    Read more: Andrew Luck, Justin Blackmon top board - Andrew Perloff - SI.com
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    Exactly. We've not got a German Mountain, a Soldier from Boulder and a Texas Cannon, and we still need help. We just cant win here.
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    Are they saying that Solder will be a bust?
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    Adding, not just an Olineman, but a Tackle?? And an injured one at that?? They wouldnt even give us a Center in that spot? What's really funny is how that's with pick 31, so theyve apparently got New Orleans losing in the Superbowl. Gotta love predictions.
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    Cannon may end up on the OL, but I suspect that BB is going to try him out on the DL.
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    When's the last time he tried that trick? Im thinking never.
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    He'll probably make Solder into our 5th TE.

    Light stays where he is.
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    I'm not suggesting he ever tried that. I just look at the size and athletisism of the guy, and he looks like he could play either NT or DE in the Pats system. That doesn't mean that he can play those, he's just a good physical match for that. I also suspect that BB will try him there in camp, and if it doesn't work out, will stick to OL.
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    Trust me. He's never even gonna get a sniff on the Dline. Not a sniff.
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    Are you just saying that because BB never tried it, or is there some aspect of Cannon's game that makes you think he couldn't play DL? Check out this presser where BB is asked about where Cannon will play:
    Bill Belichick Press Conference- 4/30/2011
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    Q: Do you prefer him at guard or tackle, or just kind of play it by ear?

    BB: With all these players, once we get them and get a chance to work with them, we'll look at their skill sets and put them in different positions. We move people around quite a bit anyway in our offense and defensive systems, so we'll see how it all works out. I'm not sure exactly what's best for anybody. I assume we'll play [Ryan] Mallett at quarterback, but the rest of them, we'll see how it goes.




    Im just saying its kind of a dumb idea. Its not something this team, BB in specific, would do.
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    It will never happen. We have need at guard coming up very soon and he will be groomed for that position.
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    Is converting a wrestler to OL a dumb idea? How about converting a small QB to slot receiveer or an OLB to a TE red zone threat? It's called thinking outside the box, which BB does more than any other head coach in the NFL.
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    QB to WR is fairly common, and many teams have done it successfully. And Neal was never a Dlineman from the beginning, and was a totally unique situation and a project. Cannon is NOT a project. The man was an All-Conference, All Americal OFFENSIVE lineman. You do not switch the man to the other side of the ball just because. I like that he's athletic. Hopefully, that helps with his effectiveness on the side of the ball where he's actually been trained to perform.
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    Draft win. Change from that offensive tackle and draft center Mike Brewster from Ohio St.
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    BUT WE NEED A PASS RUSHER!1!1! :bricks:
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    Brewster would be the obvious next step in rebuilding the Offensive line. But I would remind one and all that Ted Larsen a rookie was taken from our PS squad and became a starting Center as a rookie in Tampa Bay, and performed well.

    He lost out to Dan Koppen and developing Center candidates, youngsters Ryan Wendell and Rich Ohrnberger. I believe Dan Connelly has also worked at Center, as well. How bad can all these guys be to beat out Ted Larsen? Do we really need to draft a Center?
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    I just think Scars coaching is on a different level than it was 10 years ago. He's the best in the business nowadays and his formula for teaching is evident in his players. Light, Mankins and Vollmer were 1st and 2nd rounders and I'm just starting to see a trend in being able to coach someone who is almost NFL ready as opposed to someone who is a few years away. I'm thinking Solder and Brewster transition into NFL ready a lot sooner as opposed to some 6th rounder.

    I highly doubt the Patriots resign Koppen to a long term deal,possibly a short friendly contract. They may have got lucky with Dan progressing faster than expected out of the 5th round. I highly doubt we groom one of the practice squad players in such a short time or strike gold late in the 2012 draft.

    I have Center as a very high priority next season and I want one that can hopefully step in right away.
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    A couple of football fans who apparently were riveted to their seats during the 2011 draft:

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    Ohrnberger didn't beat out Larsen-they both got cut at the same time. I agree with your overall point though-Connolly/Ohrnberg/Wendell are all good enough to have stuck around on the squad for a while, so they've got to have something going for them.

    I think the team needs at least 1, and probably 2, impact players on the interior line going forward, but if you have Mankins and if Cannon develops then I'm sure you could do reasonably well with a Wendell/Connolly type at center.
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    No Michael Floyd or Manti Te'o? Failed mock draft.
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    I have a feeling that BB grabs a Center for the OL next year....unless Ohrnberger breaks out and is a solid backup to Koppen.
    Koppen makes the blocking reads for the OL and that's not something that's learned overnite..

    Overall it looks like BB had a decent draft, and according to Outlads Scouting grabbed the #1 and #4 rated OL as well as the #11 rated RB in Vereen.

    Dowling isn't a slouch eiither while Mallet didn't workout so gets no ranking.

    Ridley looks to be graded average in their system....

    Ourlads' 2011 NFL Combine Player Ratings
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    So far I like Mike Brewster (C) and Kenny Tate (S/LB).
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    Cannon will be at RG, supplanting Connolly by the start of the 2012 season at the latest.
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    Umm.. there's a few problems with your whole schtick..

    1) The "converting a wrestler to an OL" is a matter of SKILL SET. Understanding the technique of leverage and the mobility.

    2) Converting a small QB to slot receiver - As a QB, Edelman had intimate knowledge of what receivers are supposed to do. He also had the speed and agility to make the move.

    3) What you fail at is the understanding that Vrabel was a TE in High School.

    You clearly misinterpreted what he was suggesting. His answer was a general answer regarding ALL the prospects, not just Cannon.
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    I hear what you're saying, but unless Cannon played some DL in college, I don't see it happening. The skill sets are completely different for OL and DL.

    For one thing, Cannon would have to learn how to tackle. Not so easy to do when the guys you're practicing against are NFL players.

    For another, Cannon would need to forget everything he's learned about playing o-line and start from scratch, learning all sorts of new d-line techniques. As we've seen with a guy like Ron Brace, it takes more than size, strength, or athleticism to become a good DL.

    Third, I believe we have a far greater need for Cannon's talents on the OL. He was an offensive guard in college, and we need potential starters at guard this year in the event that Mankins holds out or Koppen/Connolly gets hurt. Not to mention that making Cannon a starter at RG and moving Connolly to C could be a huge upgrade to our line from a physical standpoint (and is a plausible scenario if Koppen misses a few games). Unless you want to count on Ryan Wendell as a potential everyday starter, we need Cannon on the OL.

    On the DL, we already have a ton of young talent. They all need a chance to develop and prove whether or not they can play in the NFL. Brace, Deaderick, Pryor, and Kyle Love are all guys who can offer the same strength and size that Cannon could as a DL. But none of them are starting from the ground up when it comes to technique, as Cannon would be.

    From a pure size/strength standpoint, moving Cannon to DL might make some sense. But when you actually look at the roster, I think it becomes clear pretty quickly that we need talented youth at the interior o-line positions. And I think it's much harder to move from OL to DL than you might imagine.
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    IR the CANNON let him comeback in year 2 as a BIGGER BEAST as he learns from the practice field w/ the Cancer IR thing
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    OG might be the most up-in-the-air position on the entire team. Why IR a guy who might be a valuable contributor?
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    Agree...PUP him if anything to give him additional time to recoup from his cancer treatments....He may even be ready to go after TC ...would LOVE to see this guy at RG to start off the season.....
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