Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by IcyPatriot, Nov 29, 2012.
Photo of Officer Giving Boots to Barefoot Man Warms Hearts All Over Web - NYTimes.com
And no one will wonder why this homeless man didn't have shoes but had clothes and a jacket....hmmm.
As part of our outreach in Providence, we used to give away boots to the homeless. Over time, we noticed that the "need" for boots was increasing significantly. Guess why......the homeless were taking the boots we gave them and selling them to buy drugs and alcohol.
Hopefully you point is not that act's of kindness are a folly.
Spoken like someone who has never worked extensively with the homeless....
Some people see the world as a hopeful place ... others look for negativity wherever they can find or create it. Even if 9 people took their shoes and sold them it's great that someone would buy shoes for the 10th person and hope he would use them. It should not be the governments job alone to care for our fellow man ... we have to keep trying.
And from this experience you draw the conclusion that helping them is a waste of time?
Fine....then you waste your own time and money doing it. I did it for 5 years pretty much every week giving away both my time and my money until I finally saw the light (just like most of the volunteers did over time).
I'm curious...how many years have you worked with the homeless?
I did it for about 4 years.
But I've seen the light, now I go around setting fire to them, much simpler and keeps me warm at night.
Warm inner glow replaced by warm outer glow.
No, worse than a waste of time. We helped enable bad behavior.
If I had to do it over again, I would have focused on the very small minority who truly wanted to change.
I've been donating my money to the homeless since the 80's RI. I always give money to the people at the Thurbers Ave lights ... and i have a few regulars who know me on Broad Street. My personal time I have not given except for gathering items for the Little Sisters of the Poor people ... my money I have given plenty ... and i don't question it's use.
There's plenty who have done way more than me ... and there's people who have done less ... i do what I can and i won't stop. What people like me give to them is not or will never change their life - but if it brings them comfort for even brief moments then i feel it's worth it. Money for food, booze, butts ... if they feel they need it then fine.
Yeah right.....you did it every week for 4 years? Where? I did it with St. Francis Chapel in Providence.
In my opinion, an act of kindness is often what initiates change. People who feel that no one cares are less motivated to change than people who feel otherwise.
Besides, you do not know the stories of those who feel compelled to sell whatever they have for drugs. Some addicts have sometimes had such awful lives that drugs, sadly, may be the best choice for them.
I believe you said previously that you volunteered in a soup kitchen, if you want quick results or are even expecting them you are volunteering in the wrong place...
You do not do it for you satisfaction, but because if everyone did something the world is a better place...
If you're ok with your money going to booze, then it's fine by me. Your money...their lives.
LOL....I know their stories significantly better then you do....obviously. In fact, I dated one of the girls who I ended up serving at St. Francis Chapel.
Her name is Tracey and I dated her in High School and now she lives on the streets. Not because her life was miserable but because she met the wrong guy who introduced her to cocaine while she was working for the state. She was looking for some fun and he showed her the "fast life".
Well, she ended up getting hooked on cocaine...lost her cushie state job, her home, and her family. She had a good life and she blew it....not because she was in pain living some awful life but because she wanted to be with the "in" crowd.
You really have zero clue what it's like to work with the homeless....you really do. I was there for 5 years...not just a holiday weekend or for some school project....but consistently. I know what I saw...week after week. We had our regulars....hundreds of them. They weren't asking for help to change...they were using us so that they could have more money for drugs and alcohol.
That's pretty much how I saw it from my perspective also ... looking in from the outside anyways.
A good deed for sure! Well how it is received or turns out, who knows! Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe the officer is the one who actually gained something out of the experience. Regardless of what the man did with the boots.
Very cool gesture by the cop.
I don't understand why anyone would care what a homeless person does with money given to them by someone else.
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It's a good thing you're an oddity. You have no sympathy for anyone who is less capable than you are, and that's a sad thing. Jesus would either feel sorry for you or smash you with an uppercut.
Your post looks like a violation of board rules. It's off topic and designed merely to slander a fellow poster.
And what you actually know about Jesus would fill a thimble.
It seems like a lot of folks make assumptions and comments about others on message boards. This one is no different.
Studies show that about 20% of addicts do not have a major trauma history, but in all honesty you really don't know what Tracy's life was like. Trauma is not usually the kind of the thing people share about themselves. In addition, Tracy perhaps was not attracted to the kind of men who had compassion and empathy, with whom she would share such information. It seems the more you worked with those who struggle, the poor you scorn them. The more I work with them, the more I admire how they survived the enormous obstacles that fate put in front of them. Nonetheless, maybe your experiences with the poor have been much different than mine. In my work, I have been astonished by the horrors that abound in our society. I can't tell you how many times a client has shocked me with stories from his or her childhood. There are acts of cruelty done to or witnessed by children that not even tv and movies prepares one for. But what astounds me most is how commonplace these things are, yet how unaware we as a society are aware of these problems.
Have more of a clue than you will ever know.. spent my professional life working amongst the poor and downtrodden in many settings in both private and public settings... if you went to cure folks, then you had unreal expectations... you worked in a soup kitchen, whose purpose is to feed the poor.. not make changes in a person's lifestyle.
Most systems are curative, rather than preventative... and what you consistently discount is the prevalence of mental illness amongst this population.
What I can never understand are those who wear their relgious beliefs on their sleeves and will get into a bully pulpit and ponitificate pious platitudes aobut things like annulment whenever they get a chance.. however deny the basic tenet of organized christian religion.. i.e. the Beatitudes and the Golden Rule...
Last thread on this you made commentary about how the homeless would go to Newport to panhandle, perhaps you were not aware that Newport has its own shelter in the old Navy YMCA...
That to whom much is given, much is expected... if you expected any more than to give someone a full belly, then you were in this service for the wrong reasons..
If I ran a shelter or soup kitchen and you came to volunteer, and told me how you wanted to change people and you explained that the issue with alcoholics and drug addicts was a matter or self control.. I would counsel you out, as you would be innapropriate for the mission of the shelter or soup kitchen.
BTW here is your commentary from a previous post.. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when I reread it...
I'm a big teach a man to fish guy, but helping someone in crisis trumps that. First things first. Outreach programs can be taken advantage of by people that want to play the system. Of course they should be on guard for that because it does enable. This though was a spontaneous act of compassion. Maybe the homeless guy was thinking, "sucker", who knows? Maybe he appreciated it for what it was too. Personally, I found it heartwarming. Stories like this restores some faith I sometimes lose in mankind with all the treachery that goes on in the world. Call me a bleeding heart conservative. Good cop. We need more of them.
People should only help people who actually want help and are willing to better themselves.
Unfortunately, there is no way to separate those who don't care if they die from those who are willing to work to improve their lives.
But people who work with our down trodden daily actually can seperate the two. And I would hope they try to put 99% of their efforts with those who want help.
It is better to allow people who don't want to or care if they live to have it their way.
Having said all that, what this officer did is heart warming and beautiful.
How do you tell the difference in a homeless population????
Is a chronic schizophrenic capable of helping themselves??
People crack me up, they rant and rail about this "christian" nation, but when it comes to the most basic of christian values they want to be selective and pass tests...
You know nothing more about Jesus than I do. Maybe less. And you are a whiner. How's that for a personal attack? (even though my statement is obviously true).
Which one? The one about how much I know about Jesus?
I know, right?
How does he make such an assumption knowing nothing?
Really? So we shouldn't help children, people who are mentally disabled or psychologically ill? Maybe those people who need help don't have the capacity to "want to improve their lives" or are incapable of any improvement, not to mention asking for it.
You're an addiction expert. Maybe you have taken the mantra of the 12 steps too seriously- especially the first one. THere are lots of people out there who have either forgotten that they are mentally ill and different, and others who may have never known they have a problem and don't recognize how different they are and think we're the ones who have the problem.
There's all kinds of people out there who can't make better lives for themselves and will forever be dependent on the charity and kindness of their fellow human beings, whether they realize it or not. What do you do with them? Round them up and throw them in a building to let them starve and freeze?
Let's put the "Christ" back in "Christmas!"
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