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    #11 Jersey

    Harry asked the question, in a different thread, as to the truth behind the US turning down aid offered by foreign countries in the clean-up of The Gulf.

    Yes, it's true we've not responded to some offers and we've turned down offers from others - but the reason is not what you might think. (Although only God knows what Harry or anyone else is really thinking.)

    It's not because we're too disorganized, too proud, too stubborn, or, as Harry's suggested, we WANT to destroy The Gulf to propogate some left-wing secret agenda.

    It's because, as a country and a political party in power, we're practical....and we're all about "buy American."

    And maybe, just maybe, we're a little pi$$ed off.

    WASHINGTON — At least 22 nations — including Britain, where BP is based — have offered oil-collecting skimmers, boom, technical experts and more to help the U.S. cope with its worst-ever environmental disaster. But their generosity comes with a price tag.

    The State Department confirmed that nearly every offer of equipment or expertise from a foreign government since the April 20 oil rig explosion would require the U.S. to reimburse that country.

    The offers reveal a hard truth about the United States' international friendships: With the U.S. widely regarded as the world's wealthiest nation, there is a double standard regarding foreign aid after a crisis, especially with offers from relatively poor countries.

    Only Mexico, with wide swaths of poverty among its population, offered the U.S. anything for free. It said it would give the U.S. government some containment boom. BP separately purchased 13,780 feet of boom and two skimmers from Mexico in early May, according to the State Department.

    The offers include:

    Britain, America's closest ally and headquarters to London-based BP, said it would sell chemical dispersants and containment boom for use cleaning up the spill. London's mayor, Boris Johnson, has previously complained about what he called "buck-passing and name-calling" in the U.S. against BP.

    Russia, which received $70.5 million in U.S. aid last year and $78 million in 2008, said it could send boom, oil containers and ships if the U.S. paid for them.

    China offered containment booms for a price. When a major earthquake struck in northwest China in April, the U.S. quickly gave $100,000 for relief supplies, and after another major earthquake in southwestern China in 2008, the U.S. donated $500,000 through the U.S. embassy in Beijing to the Red Cross to buy and deliver emergency supplies there. Congressional researchers estimate the U.S. spends roughly $30 million on foreign aid to China each year, including educational exchanges and health programs.

    Israel, which receives roughly $3 billion in U.S. military aid and other assistance, also said it would send containment boom, if the U.S. paid for it.

    France offered to send chemical dispersants and equipment to clean oil off birds but only for a price.

    Kenya, which received more than $24 million in U.S. aid last year and $11 million in 2008 for humanitarian aid, offered to send fire boom but only if the Obama administration paid.

    Vietnam offered a ship with oil-collecting sweep arms if the U.S. paid for it. The U.S. spent $102 million in all types of aid to Vietnam in 2008. When Typhoon Ketsana hit that country last fall, affecting 3 million people, the U.S. spent $100,000 on relief operations.

    Romania made a "general offer of support" but asked the U.S. government for payment. After heavy rains sent in July 2008 sent four major rivers over their banks and killed five people, the U.S. gave $50,000 for emergency supplies.

    Croatia offered to send technical experts and plans, for a price. The U.S. gave Croatia $50,000 to buy local firefighting equipment in 2007 when more than 800 wildfires broke out during an unusually hot and dry summer.


    Foreign help on spill comes with a price - Disaster in the Gulf - msnbc.com
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    Help Offered (cnn left wing media)
    OBAMA SHOULD ACCEPT HELP FROM THEM ALL

    The 17 countries include: Canada, Mexico, Korea, Croatia, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Russia, Spain, Sweden, the United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom and Vietnam. Organizations that have offered assistance include the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the U.N. Environment Program and the International Maritime Organization.

    Canada is providing technical experts, aerial surveillance aircraft, staff, and research and development on methods used in previous spills.

    The Norwegian Coastal Authority says approval has been granted to send dispersants as well as two different kinds of boom, one traditional and one designed for stronger currents.

    The United Kingdom has stocks of oil dispersant on standby if needed and the Japanese Embassy says it has offered boom.

    A team of 30 engineers from the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company has been offered by the United Arab Emirates.

    The European Union is coordinating offers through the Civil Protection Monitoring and Information Center in Brussels, Belgium, while individual European countries, such as Germany and Ireland, have offered help directly through the center.
    U.S. and BP accepting few offers of international help, countries say - CNN.com
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    Even if it compromises our security??....

    According to today's NOLA there are currently 6200 boats deployed...

    And a really big one is one the way.. hopefully this one makes a dent.. but better still stop the leak.

    Massive oil-skimming ship makes stop in Norfolk | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

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    #11 Jersey

    Did you even READ what I wrote, Harry?

    Why do you think it's better to pay a foreign country than it is to hire American workers and use American companies?

    If you read my cited article you'd know that "all these countries" are not offering "help," as you or I understand it - they're offering to sell us something - and not even at a discount, apparently.

    What they want is for us to buy their products and hire their experts.

    If the government jumped at the opportunity you'd be the first one to cry foul and to complain about reckless spending and subsidising foreign countries before we hire our own.

    Mexico, Harry, your dreaded MEXICO, was the only country which offered real "help," in every sense of the non-self-interested way.

    Every other country you've mentioned offered to sell us a bill of goods.

    It'd be like if I came upon my neighbor bleeding to death and told him I'd supply him my expertise as a paramedic and tie a tourniquet for him - but only if he paid me to do it - and he agreed to reimburse me the cost of the towel in spite of the fact that he'd paid all my hospital bills and given me a gift of several million dollars a few months ago when I had a crisis of my own.

    You're ok with that, huh? That's the kind of lame-*****, pantywaisted president you want Obama to be?

    That's what Bush did after Katrina, right?

    Oh wait - no, he didn't.

    U.S. government turned down many allies' offers of manpower, supplies and expertise worth untold millions of dollars. Eventually the United States also would fail to collect most of the unprecedented outpouring of international cash assistance for Katrina's victims.

    Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent.

    In addition, valuable supplies and services -- such as cellphone systems, medicine and cruise ships -- were delayed or declined because the government could not handle them. In some cases, supplies were wasted.


    Most Katrina Aid From Overseas Went Unclaimed - washingtonpost.com
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    It's pretty simple in my eyes:
    If a country offers to provide the same service we can provide for ourselves, buy American.
    If a country offers to plug the fcking hole that is causing the problem, pay them ANYTHING that they ask for.
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    Yup, plain common sense, but it's Obama and his Czar Gang thats refusing the help so it must be all right, goo goo ga ga, YES WE CAN.
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    #11 Jersey

    Sure, Harry, but, according to your own article, they haven't offered to plug the hole....they've offered to sell us things like dispersants, booms, survalliance techniques and "technical advice."

    Oh yeah, and snake oil.
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    If what they want to sell us will Plug The Hole Obama should buy it, for his country, for the environment and for his people, thats what a "real leader" would do.
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    The reason we aren't accepting help? Good old chitown payoff politics ombined with stupidity.


    Lawrence Solomon: Avertible catastrophe | FP Comment | Financial Post


    Please see the article to see just how stupid our policies are.


    Who is providing the oil dispersant, which is very toxic and probably worse than the oil. Nalco see the article about the links to dem contributors and rahmmy boy.

    The oil spill stories that even the conservative media refuse to cover




    Of course many leftie morons will adhere to the party line.

    This administration is the most incompetent in American history.
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    Of course the righty azzclown morons, never come in with a suggestion.. instead they continually attack, weeks ago you said Obama does not have a clue.. I asked you what the clue was, and you never responded..

    I suspect that as representative of the party of no, you have no ideas either..

    Jindal has not followed his own disaster plan, nor has he activated the LA national guard... he is another noise maker, but does not do much except take a lot of pictures.
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    Apparently you didn't read the articles.

    We were offered better technology that we had with much higher capacity than we have we turned it down this is stupid. Conservatives would have taken the help to solve the problems instead of paying of their buddies.


    Thanks for another post with no content just a sheepish acceptance of anything you owners in the party put out.
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    #11 Jersey

    Apparently you didn't either.....or maybe you just read the wrong ones.

    BP accepted the offer from The Netherlands to buy three of their skimmers on May 23.

    The Netherlands' offer consisted of "state-of-the-art skimming arms made by the Dutch company Koseq," said a statement issued by the Dutch Embassy. The Netherlands also offered to help Louisiana build sand berms intended to keep the oil from washing ashore.

    Did the U.S. reject the offers?

    On May 5, the State Department issued a statement acknowledging that it had received several offers from countries. "While there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet, the U.S. Coast Guard is assessing these offers of assistance to see if there will be something which we will need in the near future," the statement said.

    The offer of skimmers was accepted on May 23, when BP purchased three Koseq sweeping arms.


    Q&A: Did U.S. reject foreign help on gulf oil spill cleanup? - Los Angeles Times

    But thanks for another post with no content just a sheepish acceptance of anything you [sic] owners in the party put out
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    Conservatives never pay off their "buddies"...

    Of the seven politicians they have contributed to, five are republicans... guess they do pay off their "buddies"...

    The azzclown moronic responses continue...

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    It never ceases to amaze how the moronic azzclowns of the right, will rely on partisan articles as some type of biblican passage, however not look at a big picture.. have not heard one suggestion from the aforementioned azzclowns except what partisan blogs say. First it was the Jones Act or Unions, which have been proven false.. now it is this..

    Interestingly enough this article does not list any Republican Investors.. gee why not???

    The reality is that the party of no ideas, really believes that the Government is "shaking down" BP..

    Unfortunately instead of looking at what went wrong, what can be done to fix it, and what can be done to avoid it again the finger pointing ensues... which seems to be the solution for the party of no..
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    Obama is up to something, remember where you heard it.

    THE WORLD RUNS ON OIL
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    Pubbies aren't relevant they control nothing keep spinning for incopetence and corruption if you choose.

    BTW the article mentioned the same issue occuring with Exxon Valdez.
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    Why wait a month?

    What of other eq they offered to laon? WHy buy just 3 why not get as many as possible for the short term to deal with the crisis?

    Stupidity and incompetence by the administration the oil continues to gush into the gulf.

    BTW the methane may be a bigger problem.
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    FYI the Jones act debunked.. oh shyt have to find another right wing talking point..

    Here is a little factoid that shows how the azzclowns of the right, do not have a clue.. but if Rush says it the Dittoheads react..

    The Jones Act does not even apply to skimming operations outside of 3 miles from shore. Oil skimming outside 3 miles, including near the well 50 miles from shore that is the source of the leak, is completely open to foreign oil spill response vessels


    GOP's false talking point: Jones Act blocks Gulf help | McClatchy


    More info...

    http://factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/

    In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts. The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.
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