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    1) It might seem odd but my first pick would be Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware. I'd do this because so many teams out there are in a crisis concerning QB's that it wouldn't surprise me if we were approached about trading Hoyer, Mallett or both. Just a feeling I have. (Plus, Devlin seems to be accurate enough, just needs some weight training to improve his long ball.)

    2) Zach Hurd, OG, CT. The way he can move his feet, I believe he'd have some great success moving to Tackle. He'd be a very cheap replacement for Nick Kaczur and, like so many of the prospects that I like, he needs to hit the weight room.

    3) Willie Smith, OT, E.Carolina. This is a player that has similar numbers to all the top Tackles that were drafted this year. From what I read, he could develop into a top notch Guard. He did 29 on the bench press, finally somebody who doesn't have to live in the weight room!

    4) David Mims, OT, Virginia Union. Again, a player who's workout numbers are similar to the top Tackles. Down the road could be a nick backup G/T.
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    Michael Jasper - I know he was drafted by the Bills, I'm PRAYING they cut him for running a bad 40 time and we scoop him up, I'd be fine with trading for him, I think this guy has STUD potential.

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    Hey, I liked Devlin too but with Hoyer as the solid(~) backup and Mallett coming in I cant see us going from 2 to 4 QBs on the roster. Stashing a guy like that on our PS is kinda useless, he'd get poached in a minute. And I'm of the opinion that the last thing you want to do is further split reps with the backups. TB doesnt leave the field much, he even wants on during preseason. Competing rookies could hinder potential trade value of either too. Yes on the OL, but I dont see us with 4 QB in camp more than 2 weeks.
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    Personally, I'd be stunned if a top UDFA quarterback even considered the Patriots for a moment. Can you imagine a tougher QB roster to crack? You have a Hall of Fame starter with a long-term contract, an established backup who the team trusted enough last year to not carry a #3, a rookie draft pick with an arm better than most starters in the league, and a 2nd-year player returning from the team's practice squad. Surely that makes New England the last-choice destination for any FA QB.
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    For my two cents on offense I would concentrate on interior offensive line and WR. These players would be brought in for competition and to have a shot at the practice squad.

    Center
    Tim Barnes, Missouri
    Zane Taylor, Utah
    Ryan Pugh, Auburn
    Kris ODowd, USC

    WR
    Ricardo Lockette WR, Fort Valley State
    Andre Holmes WR, Hillsdale

    Michael Floyd, WR,Notre Dame - a bit of a screw head but if the Patriots submit a 2nd round pick (#64 overall) and walk away with a top 15 talent, it might be worth the chance
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    I agree it might seem tough on the face of it, but if you told Devlin's agent that you expected one of the QBs you have already to be traded, and the other one probably in a year, it might change his thinking.

    I think I'd remind the agent about Michael Lombardi on the NFL Network saying that if Hoyer has another good showing in the pre-season that a trade could very well be in the works because he said a few teams he talked to had already expressed interest.

    If Mallett can throw another one of those 65 yard bombs like he did in practice the other day, I'd expect the phone to be ringing for him, too.

    Learning from Tom Brady is not to be under rated, as was shown with Matt Cassel.
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    Mallett would be a bizarre story for sure! Can anybody remember a newly drafted rookie ever being traded away before his first season? Hard to imagine.

    As for Hoyer, how could the Patriots possibly feel confident before camp that they'd be trading him? Given that they didn't even get a rookie minicamp to look at Mallett, they can't know what they have in the rookie at this point.
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    mims, schiecl, hurd, odowd, zane taylor, pugh, bartholomew, maehl, lockette, binns,
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    Michael Floyd ND I would take instantly.



    Floyd would allow us to get rid of Tate since Tate can only run simple routes and do reverses

    will he forgo skool?
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    Last I heard, he's staying. Either way, he's not an UDFA.
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    Excellent Picks, Bro.

    And thanks for the kind words. :D

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    Offensive UDFA wish list

    3rdRB - Mario Fannin or Nic Grigsby - both have great speed. Fannin is big at 5-10 231 and a more productive receiver. Grigsby is more agile.

    WR
    Terrence Tolliver, LSU - big, good hands, fluid, agile, upside (arrest)
    Armon Binns, Cincinnati - productive
    Jeff Maehl, Oregon - fastest 3-cone/incredible agility, lacks straight-line speed, very productive
    Greg Ellingson, Florida International - clutch, fast

    OG
    Zach Hurd, Connecticut - local, huge
    Justin Boren, Ohio State

    C
    Kristofer O'Dowd, USC - big, talented, surprisingly undrafted
    Ryan Bartholomew, Syracuse - quick, powerful
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    How long ago was this?
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    Not counting things like the Sheli/Rivers trade, I can't think of any off the top of my head, although there were rumors that a team made an offer for Myron Pryor before the Pats traded Seymour.
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    Such a long list, and still no love for Rimington winner Jake Kirkpatrick!

    It was a very weird draft for centers. Only 5 were picked, and they included Bill Nagy (NFLDraftScout's 27th-ranked center) and Zack Williams (#10), while the prospects ranked #3, 6, 7, 8, 9 went undrafted. O'Dowd must have failed some physicals to be passed over.
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    As far as O'Dowd, he got pushed around at the second half of season and no injuries. - On M. Floyd, I would prefer to wait, probably Branch's last year and cannot think of anyone better to coach up Taylor Price.-Next year with Price ready and our TEs fully intergrated into the system, I would offer Larry Fitzgerald a blank check, if and only if we can dump some overpriced contracts.

    To please the people who want to dump Mankins: Send Mankins and Kaczur to Dallas for a 1st round draft pick. There goes $13M. But we sure as heck better have a UDFA O Lineman or Marcus Cannon or both not only ready to play but capable as well.

    This will please the most people on the site: Trade Meriweather. Take him add TBC and maybe even Butler if necessary. Send them to a team like MN that is in desperate need of S and OLB help. We only ask for a 2nd round pick.

    If we can pull that off, we have more than enough money to pay Fitzgerald and then the people that hate Mankins and Meriweather will have to think of somebody else to pick on.

    I apologize, I almost forgot about the Center position. I'm in agreement with most people that say it was a bad year for Centers and physically I believe Koppen's gone as far as he can go (Bless him for all he's done). I was reading about next year's draft prospects and when more than one site mentioned that Mike Brewster from Ohio State was the next Nick Mangold, I said, OK, I can wait.

    In going over all the picks again, I've changed my mind about OT Mims and replaced him with Jarriel King, OT/G from South Carolina.

    The more I think of it, I tend to agree that it probably will be too hard to bring Pat Devlin in. Good thinking, guys.
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    There has to be room on the Practice Squad for at least one of the centers!

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    Offensive UDFA wish list

    QB
    None

    RB
    Mario Fannin - big, fast and a good receiver

    TE
    Will Yeatman Maryland – (6-5 270) former Lacrosse player

    WR
    Armon Binns Cincinnati – size and hands reminds me of A. Bolden
    Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State – (6-2 210) started football late former Division II 200-meter champion
    Darius Hanks Alabama - overshadowed by Julio Jones

    C
    Tim Barnes Missouri

    G
    Cameron Bradfield Grand Valley State – (6-3 300 4.80) bench press 30 reps, and 10-yard split (1.72)

    T
    David Mims Virginia Union – 36 7/8 arms and a 86 1/8 wing span:bricks:
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    Really nice list, there, Bro. :cool:

    Mims and Yeatman are two of my Super Binkies, and Fannin is on the list, too.

    Lockette is a flat out FREAK, and I would LOVE to see our staff go to work with him. The Immortal Brother Mayo is an even bigger fan than I, which speaks volumes, I think.

    Hanks is going back for one more year.
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    Why is everyone obsessed with a running back that never even played? The snaps he did play were against joke schools. If a RB can't play college ball then he sure as hell can't play in the NFL.
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    You just contradicted yourself, there is a WORLD of difference between “never even played” and playing against weak opponents, by your “logic” a team shouldn’t ever take a player from a small school because of their weak competition. One might not want to spend a high pick on a small school player but grabbing one as a UDFA is hardly a big risk. The eye test says he has some nice skills but also has a fumble issue, he’s the perfect low-risk high reward project, I’d love to bring him into camp and see what he can do.
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    I think that Bartholomew from Syracuse is a NFL player, I would take a shot at him.
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    If not on the 53 itself.

    We need a complete overhaul of our backup interior OL.
    Connolly is replacing Neal, and the 2 weak midgets Wendell & 4th-round mistake (again)
    Lil'Richie OBurger are the worst backup C/G combo in football. Both of them - not one of them -
    must go.

    The entire OL is teetering on the precipice of total disaster.
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    *sigh* and you base this on your years of NFL Coaching experience, right?? Hmm.. forgot that you don't have any NFL coaching experience.. Then it must be your years of NFL Scouting experience... Oh wait.. you don't have that either.

    There is no guarantee that Connolly is replacing Neal. You seem to have forgotten that Kaczur is back and could be lined up at RG. Where he has taken game snaps before. .. You also seem to have forgotten that pesky little time called Free agency that hasn't occurred yet..
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    We're not in the best shape, but it's hardly a disaster back there.

    Connolly is likely your primary backup center, and he's fine there. If he's the starting right guard, which I doubt anyway (it's probably Kaczur, or a free agent, or Cannon, down the line), then he'd still probably slide over and the replacement would be at right guard. You could put Kaczur or Cannon in there, or, if we're just going by the current roster, someone like Ojinnaka. Finding a fill-in guard is easier than finding a center, and as it happens we have at least two guys, Koppen and Connolly, who can play starting-caliber center.

    And I don't get where you see that Wendell is such a terrible player. He's seemed okay the few times I've seen him.
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    I know others have already responded to this, but let's take a look at the actual OL roster, shall we? Let's assume that Light leaves but Mankins plays under the franchise tag. That gives us the following roster at this point (* indicates players listed under multiple positions):

    Tackles:
    Vollmer
    Solder
    Kaczur*
    LeVoir
    Cannon*

    Guards:
    Mankins
    Connolly
    Kaczur*
    Cannon*
    Wendell*
    Ohrnberger

    Center:
    Koppen
    Wendell*

    To start with, we're fielding two Pro Bowl-caliber linemen in the prime of their careers in Mankins and Vollmer. Then there's the veteran starting center, Koppen.

    So we need to fill in 2 more starting slots, one RG and one T (could be either side). Our options for those 2 slots include a 1st-round rookie LT who's raw but one of the most athletically gifted o-linemen ever; a versatile veteran T/G who has started 62 NFL games but is coming off injury; a young veteran G who mostly been a backup but who has started very capably when called upon; a veteran swing tackle who has seldom started but has played in 32 games for this team; a powerful rookie RT/RG with tons of talent who is recovering from chemotherapy.

    IMO plenty of teams would be happy with that "disaster." The weakest point looks like backup center, but I can't imagine Wendell is worse than the league average backup center.

    Long term, a real deal for Mankins and a successor for Koppen are clearly priorities.
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    But, but, but PatChick, you're using logic and evidence and that is just unfair to Captain Stone and his awesome ax to grind.
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    While I generally agree, I think that the key to a solid line is having Kaczur available at near 100% or having Light. This also presumes Mankins.

    So I agree, the issue is not the backups. They are as good as any in the league. Connolly was OK as a starter on both sides, and is OK as a backup center. So, in the end, Connolly is si an OK starter, but a perfect interior line backup player. Wendell is OK at backup center and guard. He has started. And I agree that he is as goo depth as most.

    I see Ohrnberger being replaced on the roster by Cannon, either in Game 1 or after the PUP deadline. Either way, this is our inactive ionterioor lineman and matters little unless there are two injuries.

    The issue is whether we will start Game 1 with two of Mankins, a healthy Kaczur (or Light.

    Vollmer, Solder, Kaczur/Light, LeVoir/Maneri
    Koppen, Mankins, Connolly, Wendell, Cannon/Ohrnberger

    ADDITIONS

    I would like to see us sign at LEAST one of the UDFA centers for the Practice Squad.

    I'm with deus on this one. I would add a veteran OG/C if we can get one. The requirement would be that he would better than Connolly or Kaczur at OG. This player would be expected to start at RG. But there is no NEED, just a potential opportunity for upgrade.

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    I would be very surprised if Connolly isn't the starting RG out of TC. OxyKaczur, if he doesn't accept a salary cut, will likely be a cap casualty; I'm not sure that a free agent can learn enough about Dante's system to assume the starting RG spot by Opening Day; and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cannon PUPed to start the season, though his recovery thus far is certainly encouraging.

    I believe that Ojinnaka is a UFA; if he signs elsewhere, it's no loss at all. I wouldn't have traded even the 7th-rounder it took to acquire him.

    How much longer can Koppen play even adequate starting-caliber Center? I don't know if he's doing that now. And remember, Brady has officially become a Statue in the pocket; if he can't step up to throw, then we're screwed. He has lost whatever lateral agility he may have once possesed. He'd rather take a sack then try to run for a 1st down.

    Wendell may be better than OBurger, but that's damning with faint praise. I would've kept Ted Larsen & Eric Ghiaciuc ahead of both of them at the end of TC last year.
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