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  1. borg

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    Pitt....22
    Tenn....21...L
    SL.......32
    NYJ.....13
    Hous...10
    Jack....29...L
    Ariz.....24
    Pitt.....22
    Seat....23 L
    Cinn....18
    SF......11
    Cleve...30
    Indy.....28
    SD......5....L
    Cleve...30
    Cinn....18

    Cake walk regular season
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    now that you point that out


    WOW, theres a LOT of 20's in that list
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    #87 Jersey

    So the best offense they beat was Houston without Andre Johnson. (Walter and Jacoby Jones as a #1 and #2 WR, might as well give up) :D

    The real great offense they faced they got blown out 34-14 against the Chargers.
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    That is the drum I have been and will be beating all week. A very good defense, a very proud defense....but a defense that beat up on the offensive sisters of the poor.

    See my sig below.
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    Yup..............
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    Anyone else surprised to see San Fran sitting at #11?
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    #75 Jersey

    Borg, I edited your post to show the "L" in the Seattle game.
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    Could you post the defensive rankings of the Patriot opponents as well as their end of season win/loss record ?

    Ravens were 12-4 which included 9 games against teams with winning records , 8 games against teams that made the playoffs.

    How'd y'all get to 13-3 ?

    A Patriot Fan using the term Cakewalk Season to describe another team is the definition of irony.

    :)
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    Excuse me but no. The comparison would be how our OFFENSE scored against opposing defenses and what they're ranking was. Our defense is not our strength, our record-breaking offense is. I hope you can at least agree that your (Balt) defense is it's best hope of winning.
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    The thread starter isn't questioning how the Ravens got to their stellar regular season record, he's mereley pointing out that you guys are getting a lot of credit for having a fantastic defense, but based on the offenses you have faced, that might not be the case. That is all. The only time Baltimore played against a team that's even remotely comparable to the Patriots offensively they got completely abused.
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    Uh ohhh... somebody's easily tweaked! God forbid someone should point out that Baltimore's D ain't what it used to be. :singing:
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    How the Pats get to 13-3 and to the AFCCG AT HOME?

    By having the best record in the AFC and beating 8 teams who would have had winning records had they not played the Patriots.

    A better question: How in the world did YOUR team NOT get the highest seed while going 8-0 at home???????
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    MIA - 20th
    SD - 5th
    Bills - 14th (L)
    OAK - 16th
    Jets - 13th
    DAL - 15th
    Pit - 21st (L)
    NYG - 9th (L)
    NYJ - 13th
    KC - 31st
    PHI - 8th
    IND - 28th
    Was - 26th
    DEN - 25th
    MIA - 20th
    Bills - 14th
    Average 17.38
    vs Ravens average of 21

    I don't think the title of this thread is on point. It's a reflection of the lack of quality offenses faced and how it makes their defense look better than it actually is, it's not meant to simply suggest they had an easy schedule.

    If the patriots don't screw up their execution they'll put more points on the board than any other team that has faced the Ravens this year (35+). Flacco won't put up 30+ on this defense, only a complete breakdown of the Patriots offensive line would do them in. Unfortunately that has been the main reason why the Pats have had playoff troubles recently (though it has been a more widespread breakdown the last 2 seasons).
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    Did you want us to go 16-0 ?

    Based on their record against sub .500 teams prior to this year.. that is what would have happened if that had been maintained !

    :)
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    Is it possible that the quality of the teams that the Patriots have played makes their offense look better than it actually is ?

    I would love to see the stats. Could someone oblige ?

    You're crazy if you think the Ravens are going to allow the Patriots to score 35 points on them in a playoff game.

    What are you hoping for ? 3+ turnovers in the redzone ?

    :)
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    The Pats opponents averaged an 18.75 ranking of defense (points allowed). That's barely below average.
    The Raven's (who average almost 9 less points per game than the pats, which influences opponents defensive rankings) averaged facing 13.25.

    So the Pats have faced defenses that average giving up 22.4 Points, while scoring 32.1 PPG. That's +9.7 PPG. That would put the Pats at about 26 points against the Ravens defense, all things equal. But all things aren't equal. The pats offensive output is reflected in the defense rankings faced combined with the fact that the Ravens have faced easier offenses. Add in the fact that this offense is peaking and has been improving week to week since Nov 13th, I think 35+/- is a solid line.

    Of course the game has to be played and it will all come down to execution, but if we execute, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to put up 35. The Patriots have been the best offensive team in the NFL the last 5 years after all and I'd argue they have been the most consistent, game to game, this year. I think a big factor in that has been our TE play. It's near impossible to shutdown Welker, 2 elite TEs, Branch, and a running game, and is impossible when Brady has time. This game is really going to be as simple as can they get to Brady consistently. I think our O-line is much improved to the point that only a "bad day" from 2+ olinemen will destroy the Pats. So again, it just comes down to execution.
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    hmm.. maybe we should ask the Giants or Pittsburgh.. oh right.. your offense is peaking.. and our defense is stagnant..

    The Patriots might struggle to score 20+ points.. if the Ravens execute that is..

    Problem is the Patriots might score 30 and still lose, with the defense they have..

    (Boldin, Evans, Smith, Pitta, Dickson, Ray Rice, Leach) is no joke against a bottom half defense.

    Its tough sledding.

    Y'all better hope you can get to Flacco with a 4 man rush

    :)
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    The NFC West and AFC South say hi.....
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    The Patriots have allowed 30+ points once this year. And it took 4 Brady picks and terrible PI by Sergio Brown in the end zone for a hot at the time Buffalo offense to get there.

    And your defense is not exactly out performing NE's over the past 4 games. They are both allowing 19PPG over that span. On the other hand Brady's offense has put up 40+ in 3 of the last 4. The only game he didn't was against Miami where our line went through a complete rebuild process about 45 minutes before the game and then once again two drives into the game. Needless to say the protection was rough through the first half. They make some adjustments and the line settles in and they put up 27 points in the second half.
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    Great post.

    The cakewalk pass defense schedule I'd been citing for Green Bay proved its meaning this past weekend. Hopefully the Ravens equally easy schedule - especially in terms of the offenses it faced - will mean something to us Sunday.
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    Why so defensive, Ravens fan?

    In my opinion, both of the points, about the Ravens not beating a good passing game and about the Pats not beating a team with a winning record, are really not very relevant.

    We've seen over the years the Ravens shut down great quarterbacks, and just because they haven't been given the opportunity in 2011 means very little. They have the same players and coaches.

    Likewise, is anyone really honestly believing that this Patriots team is not very good because of their lack of "quality" wins? What is their record over the last five years? If it's not the best in the NFL, it's close, and I'm guessing that over that span with many of these players, there record against good teams stacks up with anyone.
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    I'll address these individually:
    'hmm.. maybe we should ask the Giants or Pittsburgh.. oh right.. your offense is peaking.. and our defense is stagnant..'

    We played poorly in both of those games, especially our defense. It's also important to note just how banged up our defense was. That said, those games happen. That said, it was also fairly early in the season. We have seen a lot of improvement since then.

    As for "our defense is stagnant", I never said that. I said it's not as dominant as the stats make it out to be. Balt still have a solid defense, I just don't think it's dominant or a top 5 defense.

    "The Patriots might struggle to score 20+ points.. if the Ravens execute that is.."

    If they execute and the pats O-line falls apart and Brady has a bad game, then yes, they could struggle to score 20. It's happened before. That said, it's more likely that it doesn't happen. I never said it's not a possibility.

    "Problem is the Patriots might score 30 and still lose, with the defense they have.."

    That Pats defense is WAY underrated. They ranked 15th in Points allowed, despite being called the worst defense in the league. They are actually healthy now for the first time since the beginning of the season and looked damned good last week. They also only allowed 30+ once this season, waaayyy back in week 3 when Fitzpatrick was playing way over his head (remember him leading the league in everything the first month?). The Ravens average offense is not going to hit 30. Extremely unlikely (way way way more unlikely than the Pats scoring 30+ and winning).

    "(Boldin, Evans, Smith, Pitta, Dickson, Ray Rice, Leach) is no joke against a bottom half defense."

    Again, we are right in the middle on defense, not bottom half. As noted, we are also healthy and looking good/confident. It'll be tough for sure, not doubting that, but we should win if we give up under 30, which shouldn't be hard.

    "Y'all better hope you can get to Flacco with a 4 man rush"

    With the way the D-line has played the last 2 months and the way a healthy Spikes and Mayo combo looked against Denver, we can get to Flacco with 4. It'll come down to execution.

    Anything more?

    I think you seem to think we aren't giving Balt a shot. I think it could be a very tough game and it is a real possibility we lose. However I think the Pats are the better team and are playing extremely well. I expect that trend to continue. If the Ravens come out and spank the Pats I'll be the first one to admit I was wrong and that the Patriots were a smoke-and-mirrors team again. I just don't think that's going to happen.
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    So the Ravens faced only one top 10 offense and lost BAD. Hopefully the same thing happens again but I wouldn't count on it. This is a championship game, the Ravens will bring their a-game for sure. They score 20 pts on average on the road but I doubt this will be enough against us. Flacco needs to step up big time for them to win.
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    Spin it how you wish.

    I feel confident taking the Ravens league leading 68.8 QB avg rating against into the AFC Championship game in Foxborough against Tom Brady.

    I suspect as has obtained in the past TB will end up in the low 80's against the Ravens and nowhere near 35 points as he struggles against the #1 Ranked pass defense (by QB rating) in the league.

    The Ravens defense is not an illusion boys and girls.. sorry to burst your bubbles.

    It is as much an illusion as your high powered offense.

    What should be of concern:

    Brady cannot score if he is not on the field.

    Is your defense and its 5th worst 43% 3rd Down rate up to the task ?

    I think not.

    Not against (Rice, Boldin, Smith, Evans, Pitta, Dickson)
    and the 7th ranked Baltimore 3rd down conversion (42%) rate.

    Strength against Weakness.. whoop there it is.

    Brady cannot pass when he is on the bench.
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    Ok to summarize.. the Ravens defense is not top 5 and the Patriots defense is underrated..

    Gotcha.

    What about the Steelers, Houston, San Fran and Jets defense.. are they top 5 ?

    ;)

    You are in for a shocker.
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    #87 Jersey

    The new Pats defense has a very small sample size (a game and a half) but its very different from the Pats bad defense majority of season.

    1. 4-3 switch to 3-4.

    2. Chung and Spikes have returned, run D goes from average to very good.

    3. Mccourty from CB to FS. Has looked good there.

    4. Putting UDFA Moore at Mccourty's CB Spot (quickly becoming a board binky,looks very good).


    I love the back and forth debating though, its nice to be in a big game again.
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    You act like the Ravens shutdown all these elite QBs. The Ravens faced 3 Elite QBs all year, and of them, 1 had a great game, 2 had solid games, and 1 had a bad game. Every other QB faced was average or worse. Oh, and of those 3 Elite QBs, 1 just came off the worst year of his career... Brady will be the best QB the Ravens face this year by a LONG SHOT.

    Historically Brady has torn apart great passing defenses. Heck, his record setting 2007 season was played out against one of the toughest schedules (in terms of passing defenses faced) in league history. Yes, he has had his troubles with Balt before, but this is a different team than they faced even back in 2010.

    Also, least I remind you the Pats are 3-1 vs the Ravens since '07 with the 1 loss coming after we had just lost Welker for the season and our offense was basically all practice squaders for the game.

    How can Brady not score if he isn't on the field? The Pats are a quick score offense. He doesn't need 8 minutes to score a TD, he doesn't even need 2 minutes.

    And how is it an illusion? If it was such an easy to shutdown offense, how have they been at the top of the league in scoring and yards since '07? They are arguably harder to shutdown right now than they were in '07.

    And I'll repeat, our defense isn't as bad as the numbers suggest. It would be like saying your defense sucks when you're top 3+ defensive players are out at the same time for an extended period of time. You'd argue they are injury ridden and will be better when healthy. It's no different with the Pats defense. They were badly banged up all year but are finally healthy again.
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    Can only play what's on the schedule.

    Aren't you the same guys who get pissed at the media for ragging on you about never beating a team with a winning record?
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    Except us. He has been downright mediocre against us over our last four meetings. Might want to recheck your "history".
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    Some do, I don't. I think it's a fair point. I also think it isn't going to matter much though. We did have to face adversity and won a big game in the playoffs to put us in the AFC Championship game. However, the question marks are there. No one can confidently say that the Defense is as good as they looked in the Denver game. Both points (they were average during the season vs but they are now fully healthy) are valid. Brady's less-than-stellar performances against the Ravens is a valid point as well, though again, you could argue it doesn't matter as he's playing lights out right now, with the rest of the offense, and they have only once lost to the Ravens and were missing a lot of key players in the loss.

    I have no idea how it will play out. The O-line could fall apart and we lose. We could lose a close, 27-24 type game. We could win a close 30-27 type game. We could win easy, we could even blow them out. All I know is that I feel very confident with what I've seen from this team and think they have a good shot at winning and perhaps even winning big if they play as well as they are capable of.

    In the end, my main thoughts are this: I'm a Pats fan, I really like what I've seen from the Pats recently, I want to see them win the SB again, and we MUST win this game to advance. It's as simple as that. They have to win. They might not, but I'm not accepting it until it happens. Fortunately I don't have to be delusional since we do have a great looking team.
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