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Offensive play calling from McDaniels cost us the win!!!

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  1. TeamFirst

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    Before you all jump all over me hear me out real quick.


    In previous games when other teams brought the blitz the Pats offense would adjust very quickly and go into 2-3 tight end sets and sometimes 2 back sets,this game they didn't do any of it.

    No huddle, what happened to no huddle?
    Playaction if I remember correctly they only did it 2-3 times.
    For the first time this season I thought the Offense played conservative and was afraid of making a mistake.
    Where was Heath Evans?
    Where was the deep ball for 3 quarters,I know brady didn't have a ton of time but atleast try and roll him to the left or right.

    Anyone else think that Tom Brady is hurt? The ankle injury is more severe than what reported?
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    Is it possible that:

    TeamFirst=New England Mike (NEM)?
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    Whose Nem?
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    Yeah, where was the deep ball for the first three quarters? Brady had plenty of time and the o-line did a pretty good job keeping Tuck, Umineyoria, and Strahan were kept at bay all game. It was perfect game conditions for Brady to sail it deep. McDaniels foolishly rather go with the short game which got Brady sacked or hit on almost every play in the first half.:bricks:

    Come on, McDaniels didn't call a good game by any stretch of the imagination, but they didn't go deep because the o-line was swiss cheese. The Pats didn't do much play action because the Pats couldn't run the ball and the Giants run blitz a lot on running plays so a play action wouldn't be as effective.

    I still blame more the execution of the players on offense than the playcalling because nothing seemed to work until the Giants' pass rushers got exhausted.
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    this is something we did a lot in SB38 . i was surprised BB didnt pull this out until the last drive.
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    I was suprised the Shotgun wasn't used more. Has anyone seen Tom Brady drop back that many times. We knew they were blitzing almost every down and the playmaking just kept calling for 3-5-7 step drops. WTF? It was quite peculiar and still makes no sense to me. Whenever hard times bestowed us we would always fall back on the no huddle-shotgun. It just makes no sense to me and makes me wonder what was going through the coaches minds.

    And don't get me started on the 4th quarter defense calls. We haven't had an effective blitz package since Colvin's departure and all of a sudden we are going to blitz every down on the final drive. Give me a >>>>ing break. I think the defense was sitting fine at 3 points allowed until someone decided we were all of a sudden a blitzburg machine. It almost looked rigged to me and I'd like an investigation. lol Goodel probably told them to lose to ease off the Senate commisions and let it die down.

    Whatever............Sour grapes we got dominated on both sides of the ball but the playcalling bothers the crap out of me. I mean this is Bill Belichick after all. There is no sane way I ever thought he would come up with such a dead duck scheme,or allow one to call one for him like that.
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    This backs up my point. Look at these sets.

    3 WR/1 TE/1 RB -- 33 of 70
    2 WR/2 TE/1 RB -- 20 of 70
    4 WR/1 RB -- 9 of 70
    1 WR/2 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 5 of 70
    3 TE/1 FB/1 RB -- 2 of 70
    1 WR/3 TE/1 RB -- 1 of 70

    Where are the adjustments??? How can you not try what has been succesful in the past. Not only that but why in the hell when you were on the 8-9 yard line going for a td with a first down do you not try and run it a few times and kill the clock a little or atleast make the Giants burn a few timeouts?
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    They were getting to Brady even when he was in shotgun. Some screens (i can only remember 1) or draw plays needed to be called.
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    There were about 5-7 screens called last night.
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    i agree...

    im not sure what it was, but something about our offense was off last night, extremely off....and i have no idea why...

    14 pts people, thats all this offense, THE greatest offense ever, put up...two touchdowns, in 70 offensive plays, and about 9 possessions....not sure what happened....

    the O-line is the biggest factor in that however, i have NO idea how that pressure was getting to brady 70% of the time, no idea wutsoever
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    I'm baffled by the playcalling as well - a hurry up offense likely would have given the Pats some momentum and improved timing while tiring the Giants defense - just as it did on their 2nd to last offensive series.

    But while everyone's going to be second guessing I can't lay this at the feet of McDaniels.

    The plays he did call could have/should have worked as well - but they were not well executed.

    Had they been, we would not be in 2nd guessing mode now.
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    maroney got 14 carries....that says it all.

    it seems to me if you can run on the chargers you should be able to do something agaisnt the giants at least in the second half.

    pats just didn't show up for 60 minutes
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    There should have been way more, way earlier. Some of the screens were read right off the bat in the 3rd quarter. The reason we shredded the steelers (#1 defense in the league) was because we were unpredictable with screens and all sorts of nonsense. McDaniels laid an egg the size of Manhattan with his preparation, adjustments, and playcalling.
    Two things:
    1) Brady was unbelievably nervous in the game. You could see it on his face. He wanted it so bad, and it clearly affected his play.

    2) Something that makes me wonder is why did we just throw up prayers? We had 3 timeouts. Why not send everyone but one person long and take a chance with the long field goal by sending that person underneath the other routes. That would have also freed up Moss over the top instead of throwing the ball into a popcorn machine.
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    At least two screens failed yesterday. One had Strahan bust throught the line and tip the ball. The other had Welker hit two yards behind the line of scrimmage by two defenders. They called about 1/2 dozen screens, but they didn't work.
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    If you want to run, put in more blockers

    A double tightend package, keeping them in to block, would have helped break through the passrush. Why not keep Kyle Brady in to block?

    Esp. at the beginning, we should have come out in a power I formation, established the run, and then employed play-action pass.

    The coaches blew it, too.
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    I completely agree. The Pats seemed to be so giddy they could actually move the ball that they forgot about clock management.
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    Brady even got pissed when the Pats lost the coin flip at the start--not exactly a professional response to a 50/50 proposition.
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    You do realize Brady was sacked in that last series...and the Steelers play a 3-4 while the Giants play a 4-3...

    The reason screen wouldn't work is the Giants weren't doing anything exotic, weren't even blitzing more than a third of the time. What they were doing is getting incredible pressure with just 4 rushers consistently enabling them to play man rather than zone and consistently double at least 1 if not 2 receivers. Screens take time to set up and Brady had none. Then his receivers were covered tightly enough that they were stopped with little or no YAC. One incomplete or sack or stuffed run or penalty mixed into a series and it was time for the punter...

    There was little Josh could do about what transpired last night. The only times we managed a scoring drive either the Giants made a mistake (12 men) or they were gassed. They did roll Brady out once at the end, but it was too late and I think the ankle was an issue. It's not his forte to throw on the fly either, nor should it have to be.

    The Oline play cost us the win, although it was still in play if the D could have just made 1 stop in a 2 minute 86 yard drive. They couldn't. Asante had the best shot at ending the game and the drive, and he muffed it. They still had a shot to keep them out of the EZ, which was the only way they could win, and we got blitz happy after stopping Plax all night long.

    McDaniels isn't even on the top ten list of things that went wrong last night. Maybe the overall game plan was flawed, only dressing 2 TE, because maybe we underestimated the Giants pass rush and front 4 or overestimated our pro bowl studded Oline's actual capacity to handle them. But those wideranging decisions on overall approach aren't made by the coordinators. Those are the perview of the hoodie.
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    I thought the same thing. 3 timeouts and 35 seconds left was enough time to at least try a reasonable pass or two (15 yards) to at least give them a fighting chance. And I'm sure the Giants would have conceeded some shorter pass plays. There was no need to just heave the ball downfield into triple coverage. McDaniels did not have a good game. How many draw plays did they run? Not many I can recall.
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    Re: If you want to run, put in more blockers

    One play I noticed Kyle Brady being tossed aside like a rag doll.. Watson has blown all year for the most part
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    I'll say it, the OL played terrible last night but Brady wasn't so hot either. There were a few plays where he overthrew people even when he had time. His accuracy on the long balls was horrible and he held the ball too long looking for deep passes.
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    You're saying Brady had enough time to throw deep but not short??
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    Rushers ALWAYS get into the backfield from the outside -- they can loop around if nothing else.

    It was the rushers coming up the middle that made the difference.
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    I agree. But give him props for still driving the team down the field and putting them in a position to win if the defense could have stopped the Giants. He clearly did not have great mobility in the pocket and did miss open receivers.
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    The defense will be looked at as losing the game because they gave up the game winning drive but in reality, 17 points against the Giants is not bad, but 14 points for the highest scoring offense of all time is pathetic.

    Yeah Asante Samuel should have had that INT and they should have wrapped up Manning but it never should have come to that.
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    Mcdaniels did call a horrible game, first call out its a trick play? a double fake handoff?

    They were looking to put on a show, and it cost them.

    They at one point, ran the ball 6 straight times.

    No hurry up or short passes.

    The pats in the end, were a botched INT from Asante or a sack on Manning from winning the game.

    Having Colvin in this game would of been HUGE.
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    I think this loss is big time on McDaniels. I mean talk about not adjusting whatsoever. It seemed pretty obvious going into halftime that the G-men had established they can get to Brady 50% of the time. Firstly, where in the **** was the shotgun, secondly, why didn't we switch to those quick routes we used on the last drive earlier? Nonetheless, the OLine is where our problems started and ultimately killed the game. If you had said to me we would have only let up 10 points to the Giants with 2:30 left on the clock, I would guess win 10 times out of ten.
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    I agree, it would have beat on their defense, which was already treating guys for cramps and opened up some things later. Plus OLinemen love to run block where the can beat on people instead of taking it.

    What i don't understand is why people think Belichick would allow McDaniel to lose the Superbowl if he had better plays/personnel groupings in mind.

    He's calling BB's game plan, face it.
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    Then what is the Top 10?

    Skippy's (or BB's, if you prefer) play-calling is most definitely in mine.

    Without watching the tape (I left it in Charlottesville VA), the one play that illustrates the ineptitude of the OC/HC was in the 3rd quarter, 7:23 remaining, 3rd and 7 from the NJG 25. Instead of a draw play from the shotgun, TB is sacked during a 7-step drop. Now they are (apparently) out of FG range. If they thought that they were in 4-down territory, then why didn't they run a draw on 3rd down to gain some positive yardage?

    Also, where were the flea-flickers, HB options and other formations to counter-act the jints' pash-rush? It was obvious by halftime that 7-step drops with 5/6-man protections weren't cutting the mustard.

    Inexplicably, inexcusably, all-around horrible; in both planning and execution. The HC/OC simply did not put their players in the best positions to succeed, esp. given their knowledge of the jints' DL proclivity to compete in pash-rush mode full-time.
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    The last time I saw Brady act this way was during the Denver playoff game, and his play reflected that - missed throws, "imagined" pressure, etc.
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