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  1. TheSolderKing

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    w/ all thse acquisitions Brady will be encompased by a SHIELD


    do we resign Mankins???


    I hope so!

    I want ur takes on this:cool:


    I love the Draft.
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    Mankins if he chose to stay can become the "old man" and leader of the next generation Patriot's Offensive line. Or not, his choice.

    The next generation bookend tackles are in place, even as the old Superbowl tackles are still here. Volmer could play either tackle but has gone to the Probowl as a sophomore at ORT. Solder, betters every one of Volmer's very impressive athletic credentials, except for raw strength. Which is what you'd expect for a guy a few years younger and closer to the TE days they both share. Mark Levoir has had occasional starts at both Left and Right tackle and is a more than acceptable OT reserve.

    Dan Connelly was a revelation last year, at both G positions. Now they have added a very atypical G to the Patriot's line in rookie Marcus Cannon. He is a massive Big Body Guard, when the Patriot's usually favor more mobile Guards who are big, but not immobile hulks. We shall see. The reserves at Center have been groomed for a while in Wendell and Ohrnberger, behind Koppen. Meanwhile Light and Kaczur are hardly antiques, without merit.
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    What's the health issue with Cannon? i read he has cancer or some ****...
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    TY all


    I posted this WAAAY b4 we had our Canon
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    My belief was the Pats would address the OL early in the draft, which they did. I felt the player/position we drafted, would supplement the veteran player. In this case, I see Matt be let go and Mankins being brought back for a long term deal.
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    with getting solder and not having to extend light, the pats can extend mankins and keep the OL well under any kind of budgetary number if such a thing exists.

    expect an OC to be drafted next year. not that koppen is breaking the bank, but it would be good to have such a player for depth purposes and the long haul.

    if cannon pans out, the OL will be in good shape even if mankins moves on next year.
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    I expect us to make Mankins a fine offer, and that Mankins will refuse and play out his franchise. The nfl is a business. Mankins will do his job in 2011 for $10M or so and move on. And both Mankins and the team will part on good terms.

    However, we don't have the replacement for Mankins. Cannon is our RG. Ohrnberger is the only interior lineman signed passed this year. Connolly and Wendell are both signed only through 2011. Koppen is only signed through 2011.

    We need interior line help. Cannon is just the start. if we look to 2012 (as we shoud0, we have a Cannon (starting RG) and Ohrnberger (backup OG).
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    By the end of the year, the OL will look like this:

    SOLDER--MANKINS--KOPPEN--LIGHT--VOLLMER
    KACZUR--CANNON--CONNOLLY--OHRNBERGER--LEVOIR
    MANERI--WENDELL--OJINNAKA

    For 2012, I can see Kaczur cut for Maneri, Mankins gone to FA or trade, LeVoir, Ohrnberger, Wendell and Ojinnaka cut to make way for a bunch of rookies.

    2012
    SOLDER--CANNON--KOPPEN--LIGHT--VOLLMER
    MANERI--CONNOLLY
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    I hope we do keep Light, I think Solder is part of a long term plan, he does not look very strong to me, he plays pretty high, He may have long arms but DL get up under him and bull rush him. He does have good feet.

    Having Light around will be good for #12's health and Solder's development.

    Plus would like to see a few present day Patriots players stay till they retire.


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    I'm wondering how easy is it to fix that issue?

    In the Cal game you could see some guys constantly getting under him and just blowing right past him and in the senior bowl drills you could see Von Miller just blasting him into the QB.

    What happens when James Harrison and DeMarcus Ware coming at him? And he could very realisticly be facing those guys this year.
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    I'm guessing we should be able to sign Mankins. I'd like Keep Light as well but it's not looking like that is going to happen unless we have a a 2 year deal on the table that both parties can agree to.

    A Mankins signing I could definitely see but I'm not sure paying a guard that much money over say a 5 or 6 year deal won't affect the signing of both Solder and Vollmer when their contracts expire. Alot will depend on the length of Solders first deal and the guaranteed money in the last 2 years of Mankins contract. Makes me wonder what the future is for Center on the team? I'm thinking one of those first or 2nds will net us a talent like Mike Brewster or Peter Konz in 2012 which may save money towards the cap with the release of Koppen.{If there is a cap?)

    I'm not going to speculate too much. There is a dude running this team with a economics degree to do all the calculating for me.
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    Maneri taking Kaczur is a no brainer
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    No way can #17 in the draft sit, Light is gone.
    Mankins is being held captive on principal to check into trade value nothing more, his tag will go and so will he.
    Cannon, I dont see his fit into this high IQ system. If anything he is a LG.
    Kaczur has value in flexibility, he is one of our 5 best OL right now, sorry, RG.
    Koppen, last year on his contract, swan song.
    Vollmer-SOLID.
    Thats how I see it shaking out barring a OG in FA that beats out Connolly for LG or Kaczur at RG....and if so bye bye Nick.
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    What you leave out is that players can make choices to play for teams other than the patriots, no matter what fair price the patriots decide to pay.

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    2012 - The pats draft David DeCastro and Mike Brewster (LG and C)

    Koppen and Mankins are gone

    We also draft a top end WR

    Job done
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    Not sure that I agree that Mankins will not play for 10 million this year. That's an awful lot of incentive for him to stick around another yr. The optimists in us are still hoping that they can agree to a long term deal. That would also give them a whole extra yr to try and do so.


    Actually, he is a RG for sure. Not sure why you wouldn't agree.
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    I'm all for keeping Mankins. I don't think anyone wants to lose him. It's just a matter of cost.

    If the cap shrinks dramatically like many expect, then the Patriots offer might look a lot better, especially with so many teams suddenly being over the cap and not able to make big offers.
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    Ojinnaka is a FA and likely won't be back. There have already been rumors of Kazcur being cut if he doesn't take a pay cut from his $3.5M salary this year. I think they will resign Light to a 2 year deal around $6.5M and hopefully resign Mankins as well even if just for 1 year. They will only carry 8-9 OL and I don't think Maneri will make it back to the PS this year.

    My 2011 Line
    LIGHT--MANKINS--KOPPEN--CONNOLLY--VOLLMER
    SOLDER--CANNON--WENDELL--MANERI

    Cannon and Solder are Orhnberger and Levoir's replacements with Wendell backing up Koppen. In 2012 I think they will let Light go and resign Koppen to a 1-2 year deal and draft a C.

    My 2012 Line
    SOLDER--MANKINS--KOPPEN--CANNON--VOLLMER
    MANERI--ROOKIE C & OG
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    I'm not so sure that i'd like to see Light as the starting LT....he is too big of a liability in pass protection imo. I wonder if he could be moved inside to RG. I just feel that if you draft a lineman #17 you'd expect him to start in week 1.
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    VERY interesting prognostication. I too would HOPE that Light would be retained as a OG. I have wanted to see him in that position for many years. I think he's be great. However as a simple economic move I doubt it happening. Here's hoping you are right.

    I think this will be Koppen's last season. HE is the next urgent replacement part, and it will be a hard one to replace.

    BTW- people should realize that Cannon (when he's ready) will not be a typical Patriot OG. He doesn't match the usual very nimble but light in the pants OLmen the Pats have put out there for the past decade. Cannon is pure road grader on the run and pure block of granite vs the pass. I doubt you will see him getting out on the edge in bubble screens or leading runs to the other side. This change is due in part to the change BB is seeing in league. More and more defenses are attacking the pass with a big push up the middle. This is BB's first move to adjust to that reality, By bringing in a more "immovable" type of player in the middle, he solves that issue, but giving up some of that nimbleness. Its the right trade off IMHO.

    I don't care about Mankins future. All I know is that right now he will be with the Pats THIS year, and that's all I care about. I know Connolly can be a short term fix and we can easily get an even better replacement than Connolly in the draft or FA in the future. I'd like to see him signed long term, but I no longer see it as a critical issue. Quite frankly, I'm tired of thinking about Logan Mankins future. The Pats will make him a very rich man this season. After that, whatever happens... happens
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    Light can move inside to guard...PERFECT FIT.

    He isn't good enough for anyone to pay him top money as a LT anymore. No one will...instead he stays here for "modest" money (approx 2 years / 8M).

    Hopefully mankins can be traded for a #2 pick next year and they don't have to pay him 10M this year. That is unconscionable.
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    You DON'T pick a guy 17th and not plan to start him right away. Clearly he is not the player right now that he will be down the road. But it doesn't look like the Pats got this guy as a Plan B. He's the guy they wanted all along. And if that was the case, they didn't get him to sit a year. They got him because THEY think he can start right away. Evidently THEY think he's strong enough, and if you watch the sports science clip on him, you would think so too.
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    I just don't see Matt Light's ego allowing him to play Guard since he's always been a LT. If that was the only option for him on the Pats OL he would probably sign somewhere else like Kansas City to play LT there and they could move Brandon Albert to RT where he belongs.

    Just because Solder was drafted at 17 doesn't mean he has to start this year. Brian Bulaga was drafted 23rd in 2010 and didn't begin the year as a starter and only got the job after an injury. Solder will start when he is ready and not before. That could be part way through the season or in 2012.
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    Its less unconscionable when you think they got him for the better part of last season for about $500,000. If you look at it that way they will have gotten Mankins over the last 2 years for about $5.5MM/yr. It looks a lot better if you think about it that way.
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    I agree on Mankins. For this season, he is all set. After that its an issue, but one that will be solved thru the draft or FA NEXT season. And again for all those who don't see the Pats actually forking out $10MM for him THIS season, its a lot more palatable if you think about it as about $5.5MM over the last 2 seasons. Don't forget he made less that a million last year, even though we got the better part of a season from him.

    IMHO Koppen is the NEXT urgent replacement target in 2012
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    Most definately.
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    Have you noticed that BB has nearly rebuilt the offense over the last 3 drafts. Considering that his offense was #1 in points last year, hopefully these young guys can transition in and maintain the status quo.

    ............2009...................2010......................2011.....(round drafted)

    TE...............................Gronkowski(2)
    LT...............................................................Solder(1)
    LG........................................................................
    C..........................................................................
    RG..............................................................Cannon(5)
    RT........Volmer(2)
    TE................................................................Smith(5)

    TE/WR.........................Hernandez(4)

    WR....... Tate(3)
    WR.......Edelman(7)
    WR................................Price(3)

    RB................................................................Vareen(2)
    RB................................................................Ridley(3)

    QB.................................................................Mallet(3)

    I will go out on a limb and say Brady's job is secure....that leaves two slots that have not been addressed in recent drafts.. The production from this crew of draftees is mixed...3 big wins with Volmer, Gronk, Hernandez.....Spotty production from Tate and Edelman...Price is the unknown.
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    What is there to suggest that Cannon isn't smart enough for this system? I understand that he's way bigger than we usually go but he seems like he moves very well for a guy that size. I don't get the IQ insinuation though.
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