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    One of my thoughts for this season so far is that, perhaps this offense presents more problems for opponents even more so than the 07 offense. And I don't mean so much as in scoring, records, yards and touchdowns which alot of that has been made regardless, but in matchups, redzone effectiveness and winning one on one battles.

    1. In 07 you had Randy Moss deep, Wes Welker underneath, and Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth to add. At tightend, you had Ben Watson and Laurence Maroney along with Kevin Faulk and Sammy Morris at runningback. Now you have Wes Welker deep and underneath, Deion Branch long and short as well as outside, Julian Edelman essentially another effective slot-man, Chad Ochocinco who potentially creates way more issues for opponents than Gaffney and Stallworth, the best tightend in football possibly the greatest ever, and another tightend, who is also elite with more speed and versatility than his counterparts along with an entire slew of effective runningbacks who can do it all.

    2. In 2007, opponents would try and eliminate Wes Welker underneath, than Randy Moss long and your in... But now you have to worry about Rob Gronkowski long, Wes Welker also long, Aaron Hernandez long, Deion Branch who can get long and Chad who can also still get long. Not to mention more weapons underneath outside of Wes in Edelman, Woodhead, Faulk if needed be, and even Green-Ellis who will try and receive in the flats. Tiquan Underwood and Matthew Slater, whos to say they won't do what they are asked too as well if thrown in the mix.

    3. The running game also presents more issues. Danny Woodhead, the ever so elusive shifty and super quick runningback finds invisible holes and bursts through them. He can become a very good receiving threat, kind of like an additional Wes Welker, Deion Branch or Julian Edelman. Additionally, BenJarvus Green-Ellis is underrated and can find those open holes to tough his way through for a good 6 to 10 yards. He has shown the ability to carry a game if needed be and can really become a powerful horse-like patient ball carrier for wearing a defense down. Last but not least, Stevan Ridley shows alot of promise, potential and spark with his speed and accelaration. This does twice as much damage for us at the runningback position this time around not to mention that Aaron Hernandez looked really good taking handoffs busting off about a 60 yarder for the first runplay of the game against Denver.

    It is literally virtually impossible for ANY defense to match up with all of those dangerous New England running and receiving weapons.
     
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    Agreed

    This team has more weapons.
     
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    The Patriots Offense is an A grade vertical receiver and an A grade Running Back away from being as complete as you'll ever see an Offense.
     
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    Looking at the Passing aspect of the team only, like its said before me: if we had a deep threat there will be no stoping us, and thats why Deep threat is so importent.

    Brady needs to be 100% precent accurate and he and his recivers needs to be 100% timed up so the play can be executed because we are playing in the range of no more than 20 yards. if we had a player that can spread the field verticaly this offense was perfect.
    Its alot harder to throw where the opposing team knows you HAVE to throw the ball short because you dont have someone to torch the field. good defense will know to take advantage of it.
     
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    There is a much broader spectrum of routes that can be run now. This group can't stretch the field like moss, but if the opposing defense is getting pressure, then that threat is neutralized. The current group puts much more pressure on opposing LBs for their coverage responsibility.

    The faulty assumption is that defenses can pack in close because the pats don't have a 'legitimate deep threat' .... Just as much, if not more of the field needs to be covered now
     
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    The O is what is worrying me about this weekend! Well more how well the Ravens D will play!

    If Brady isn't 100%, we will struggle!
     
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    So it's the same as every other week, then?
     
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    Bring in Mohamed Sanu and that's our offense complete...oh and resign Green-Ellis.

    Our defense isn't far off being that complete either...give it 2-3 years and the situation will be perfect for a certain young QB to take over the helm :)
     
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    Indeed! But the Ravens D is the best we have played for a while!
     
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    I was nervous about the Ravens until I saw the Houston game. The Texans de-mystified the Baltimore Ravens. They ran and passed on that D, and held their offense to 10 (not including the drive that started on the Houston 4). That's all BB needed to see.
     
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    As much as this may be the ideal, due to the economic structure of this team this will probably never happen.. at the end of the year some decisions have to be made, which will cost this team a few bucks.. Anderson, Carter, BJGE and Welker immediately come to mind. Plus the salaries of 4 picks in the first two rounds of April's draft...
     
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    It;s going to come down to the red zone and finishing drives. You're right, the Texans had a lot of initial success moving the football, then found themselves getting stuck. I think we will move the ball, the interesting battle is going to be seeing one of the top 3 RZ efficient offenses going up against one of the top 3 RZ efficient defenses!
     
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    But the Pats *can* be contained. Three game stretch:

    vs Dal - W, 20-16 - Pats had 4 turnovers and needed a last-minute drive to win
    at Pit - L, 25-17 - Pats held to 213 total yards
    vs NYG - L, 24-20 - Pats had 4 turnovers again

    If you can turn NE over, you can control them. If you can't, you're likely in for a very long day. The Pittsburgh game....that was the anomaly: they shut the Patriots down without generating turnovers. But they did it there with huge time of possession - 39:22 vs. 20:38.

    But slowing the Patriots down can be done.
     
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    I don't see the salary cap in 2012 as being a strong constraint on Patriots actions. Right now they are significantly under with IIRC 43 players signed. The only first tier free agents are Welker and Carter/Anderson. I think Carter/Anderson have played well enough for one of them to price themselves out of New England (perhaps Anderson as Carter will probably have to give an age/injury discount).

    There are several middle class free agents, headlined by Law Firm, but those guys should not break the bank, and if they get a bank breaking offer elsewhere, the Pats have enough depth to replace them internally.

    And late 1st and all 2nd round draft picks have always been cheap to sign, and the 1st rounders this year have gotten slightly cheaper. Draft picks are not a significant salary cap concern.

    2013 will be a challenging cap year as the fruits of a couple good drafts in a row, most notably Gronk/Hernandez will be looking for their first big money contracts.
     
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    They HAVE TO keep Gronk and Hernandez!!! They generally don't pay a lot of $$ to RBs. In Bill we trust?
     
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