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    What I mean by this is that Brady/Moss/Welker are elite talents, but that they shouldn't be fantasy football stat monsters like they've been since the receivers have joined the team.

    The biggest problem that hinders this team is its over-reliance on its 'stars' to out-execute, week in and week out. Right now this team can't manufacture a win if, for example, Welker gets stopped. This suggests an insistence on doing the same things (which can be stopped by a good D-coordinator), rather than playing a chameleon style offense where even our star players would have (intentionally) mediocre or non-flashy fantasy stats for some weeks. The talent on offense is great, but what we are doing now is trying to win every single time the same way, and if that way doesn't work then we lose.

    Nobody is suggesting we don't need Brady, Moss, or Welker. The more elite talent we can get, all the better. What I mean is, this team should be able to win sometimes when Brady throws under 25 times, or Moss/Welker get less than 5 catches. Win the game pounding the ball some weeks, or where the tight ends are used, and where the passing guys aren't putting up crazy passing/receiving fantasy stats. Stop trying to force success through the spread offense, and where you lose the game if you can't do it that one way. Trying to force success doing it one way is Mike Martz'ish.

    When Brady, Moss, and Welker drop in value as fantasy football studs (but still remain elite real-life players), that is when you know this team can handle any kind of opponent, and is also keeping a defense on its toes through deception and unpredictability.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Ya, the Patriots will never when with Brady at qb.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Was the offense ever a problem in '07? No. Why? Because of the O-line and better play calling. The problem this year is that the O-line is unhealthy and playing like absolute crap and the play calling has been ridiculously predictable.

    What is hurting us now, more than ever, is the defense. The offense didn't give up 38 points last game and get absolutely slaughter by the long ball. The offense didn't blow a 17 point lead in the 4th Quarter in Indy. The defense did and lousy play-calling on the offense. To try to blame it on "star power" on offense is just ridiculous. Remember, Moss WAS used as a decoy in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs in '07, so you can't say that they just force the ball to Moss, because they don't.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Well the message might be right, they need to not be so vanilla on offense, the way you brought it about was....uhhhh.....interesting, let's go with that.
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    You're too full of yourself right now ... you have in one day covered every area where you think you're smarter than Belichick ... give it a rest maverick. It's plenty fine to give one's opinion. But your threads and posts today taken collectively imply Belichick is either stupid, lazy, clueless or all three.
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    The Saints did not win the game with some master trickery or grand scheme. they out executed our team ... football can be very vanilla and still produce a victory when the team is executing the play to precision.
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    A new low has been reached on Patsfan.com, this thread really saddens me.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    The Saints are a prime example of how defenses can't zero in on one WR. They have the best group in the NFL.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Well I guess a 3-0 win is still a win right.

    If the receiving corp was better, then Brady wouldn't have to over rely on Welker and Moss as you say. The gap between these two and the third/fourth/fifth options is monumental and problematic because IMO, receivers 3/4/5 aren't dependable in spreading the wealth.
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    Like I said ... people are free to give opinion.
    But a few here think they are smarter than Belichick ... that's a laugher.
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    I wouldn't mind but if they bothered to check stats, Troy Brown was one of the leading receivers in 01 and 02.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Let me simplify my previous post:
    You think it would help the team to get LESS production out of it's BEST players? :confused: Really? That makes sense to you? :eek:
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Who said anything about Belichick? You keep acting as if he's some micro manager dictator where all credit and fault goes to him. Despite multiple books that say otherwise, keep believing your own fake reality.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Keep believing your own press when you believe the Patriots won't win a ring with elite offensive fantasy players.

    2008: Pittsburgh Steelers - Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward, Willy Parker
    2007: New York Giants - Plaxico Burress, Brandon Jacobs
    2006: Indianapolis Colts - Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison
    2005: Pittsburgh Steelers - Hines Ward, Jerome Bettis

    That's just off the top of my head some of the elite offensive players who played in Superbowl winning teams in the past 4 season, all of which were crucial to the success of their offenses.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    By elite I mean a fantasy stud. Those players you listed are all good/great, and it's important to have an offense where you can beat a team multiple different ways. I'm not saying not to have elite talent, obviously you need it. I'm not saying to not have or use Brady/Moss/Welker, but we use them repeatedly so much to the point that the offense can't do anything when teams figure them out. Case in point, the last game a mediocre Saints secondary completely stuffed Welker and Moss.
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    ... and you keep thinking you know more how to run a team than the HOF coach himself ...
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    This is spinning what was actually said.

    The team right now is too over-reliant on the same players and plays, in order to succeed. This team cannot manufacture wins when its bread and butter is stopped.
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    We have to use them because our third, fourth and fifth options are unreliable and not dependable. That's either on Tom Brady, the receivers or the offensive coordinator.
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    Well is Aiken or Stanback were really any good we would have been in the game till the end ... but we weren't ... so I guess it has to be Moss and Welker - sink or swim. It takes Aiken and Stanback too long to get separation ... football 101 ... you need to get past the jam to get open.
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    Re: Pats Will Win Next Ring When It Has No Elite Offensive Fantasy Players

    Nope, sorry, you really have a problem of pulling things out of your a*s and making things up.

    This has nothing to do with Belichick. Belichick can't manage all facets of the team, it's impossible. If you read ANY books on the man you'd know that he learned to delegate and trust his coordinators from his experience coaching in Cleveland. He has never fired a coordinator and believes in developing them, even when they screw up.

    It's obtuse (but not surprising) thinking from you to automatically attribute any criticism of the team as an attack on Bill Belichick or his decision-making.
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