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  1. Wolfpack

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    Great dinner theatre this evening. Anyone watching the local news was treated to Obama's little temper tantrum press conference. He did just about everything except stamp his feet.

    What tremendous leadership by the crackhead in chief.

    No Deal: Debt Ceiling Talks Between Obama, Boehner Break Down - The Note

    Talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Obama to raise the debt ceiling in conjunction with sweeping spending cuts and tax and entitlement reform have broken down. There will be no "grand bargain" to deal with the debt crisis and raise the debt ceiling.

    Boehner's decision to abandon negotiations with President Obama puts an end to a deal that would have cut spending by up to $3.5 trillion over the next 10 years and increased tax revenues by close to a trillion dollars. But the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling must be raised by Aug. 2nd to avoid a government default.

    "We have now run out of time," a visibly angry Obama declared at a hastily arranged press conference in the White House briefing room.
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    Are you referring to the clip in your link or something he said before and/or after that clip?
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    He was off kilter... that was not a man in control.
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    #75 Jersey

    He seemed to be unglued.
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    +1. I think it's the reaction of a man completely dumbfounded over the fact that a lot of charisma and great speaking ability does absolutely nothing to actually, like, you know, solve the economic problems we are experiencing.
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    I guess that community organizer experience did not prepare him for this. He said he could bring everyone together - he was supposed to be the great Uniter - Bush said that also - the more things change the more they stay the same. Bush also said he had experience bringing people together. Oh well - don't want to deflect - just wanted to vent a bit. :steamed::beatingcoming::steamed:
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    The house has already passed a resolution to raise the debt ceiling H Reid and the dems won't even allow a debate much less a vote to get members on the record.

    Obama and the dem Senate have no plan they are willing to put on paper the pubs have already passed a plan.

    This is why Obama is freaking out. The CNN poll shows that 66% like the ap, Cut and Balance plan.
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    What few sane republicans that are left in congress are being held hostage by the demented tea party followers.the average american is becoming skeptical of the right wings talk of tax cuts and austerity and sacrifice.because went the g.o.p. plan is scratched just below the surface,it is revealed that the tax cuts primarily are for the benefit of the high income people.

    It is time for the bush tax cuts for those upper income people to be sunseted.

    The president and the democrats need to stand firm on this issue.


    When Bush started class warfare by reducing taxes for the rich the economy started into a downward spiral, coincidence?? Many think not.. the super rich do not agree..
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    They handed this poor clown The White House on a silver platter now we all have to pay.

    I wonder if they have learned, will the fools do it again, probably.
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    No human walking this earth can "solve the economic problems we are experiencing"...

    So if that's what Americans are looking for, I will guarantee them it won't happen.

    If/When or economy turns around to true prosperity, it won't be due to a policy, but rather, balances being restored in the basic mechanisms of our economy.

    "Bad debt" will still take years to get off the balance books of corp's (financial) as well as in private homes. That being said, Obama has showed no sign of being a "get it done" leader who can bring both sides together.

    My grade so far for president Obama: C
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    The same tax rates that Obama agreed to extend through 2013?
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    Well then maybe Obama shouldn't have made that the central tenet of his entire campaign platform 3 years ago.

    No one human can singlehandedly fix our problems but (as much as it pains you to hear this) fact is that the President of the United States sets economic policy which either helps the situation or exacerbates it (especially when his own party control congress, as it did for Obama's first 2 years).

    And fact is there is absolutely no way anyone can impartially analyze 3 years worth of econnomic data under Obama and conclude that this administration has been anything other than a complete, abject failure.
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    That's not a nice way to describe your Republicans, harry. (But you're probably right this time.)
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    What upsets me about me about this is the "moving the goal post" issue. Obama said he didn't but if you listen closely he used weasel word to say that.

    Boehner on the other hand said clearly that Obama came in after a deal had been made and demanded $400B in additional taxes.

    I'd like to see the deal that they had "agreed" on the night before the last meeting. Let's see who is not telling the truth. Shouldn't be that hard because these all should be in writing. Let's have some of that transparency that we were promised.
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    It doesn't sound like an actual deal was ever struck, from what I saw and read.

    I wouldn't expect anything concrete in writing until it's complete, probably just notes -- notes that could reflect misunderstandings on either side. Additionally, "moving the goal posts," so to speak, could be perfectly fair in the course of ongoing negotiations on any remaining points. And that's without any bad faith negotiating by either side.
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    They should have this whole thing now out in the open so there can't be any conflicting stories. Remember when Obama said no more back room deals?

    He is the king of back room deals on the biggest issues like this and healthcare.
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    I don't think public negotiating is a good idea. It would discourage frank discussion and encourage grandstanding.

    (Public debate, otoh, is a very good idea -- though people would still be less than candid at times and grandstand at times.)
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    You'd all be frustrated too if you have to deal with 50 year old manchildren.....

    You have one side willing to compromise and other other side not willing to budge at all, the GOP is taking America hostage and they don't care! All the sheep that think this is good politics are fools!!! We send our rep's to do what's best for our country not what's best for them or their party!
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    #75 Jersey

    You could just use quotation marks on that post and credit Obama.
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    Or its just the truth.....You can yell the sky is green all day, its still blue....:cool:
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    I wish you libbies would make your minds up. Just last week we had a post telling us all that the GOP caved in to Obama's demands, and now we have a post saying they are "not willing to budge at all."

    So which is it?
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    What exactly is Obama's plan? They announced that he had $4 trillion in cuts. What are they? The only plan we have to go by is his budget. Any deficit reduction in that? Nope.
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    So we're blaming Obama for being angry that the lunatics in the House are willing to drive this country off a cliff just so long as they never have to compromise on their anti-tax theology?

    Just further evidence that the only things Republicans care about is keeping the wealthy from paying taxes.
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    According to the Speaker they were willing to add $800B in new revenues by revisions to the tax code.

    Obama was going for that until the lunatics on the left (Move On, SEIU, and other far left groups) jumped all over his butt. Then he came back demanding $400B more in actual tax increases. That killed the deal.

    So who is willing to drive the country off the cliff with their uncompromising tax and spend theology?

    Can't wait for football to start!!
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    Frankly Obama has expanded spending by close to 40% per years in the past 2 years, the proposal by the pubs reduces that by less than 10% per year going forward, that doesn't seem real extreme as a matter of fact it doesn't seem like enough of a reduction but at least it is a start and it is something that actually passed the house in a bi-partisan vote.

    H Reid and them dems in the Senate never passed a budget for fy 2010, they still haven't put anything in writing for the next fiscal year, they haven't made any proposal for dealing with the debt ceiling.

    H Reid is a disgrace. So are his dem colleagues in the Senate.

    Obama hasn't made public his proposal. The only members of the government to actually put their plan on the record are the House Pubs, Reid won't allow debate much less a vote which the pubs in the Senate would like.

    So if there is a gov shutdown it is on H Reid and Obozo for not being serious. IMO they want the default since it worked for Clinton. It is probably the only he copuld win the next election given his dismal performance.
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    First of all, that was the line out of the Speaker's office, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially when you consider the structure of Reid's failsafe plan. Further, it's abundantly clear that Speaker Boehner has little-to-no control over his caucus, so even if they were to strike such a deal, there's a serious question as to whether it would even pass (and it certainly wouldn't without substantial Democratic support).

    Second of all, the Republicans control ONE-THIRD of the government, yet you seem to find it perfectly appropriate that the Democratic President and US Senate accede the lion's share of the concessions in this debate. That's not how negotiations work. Common logic would dictate a 1:1 ration between revenues and cuts, just as specified in the Rivlin-Domenici plan.
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    Gee, I had no idea when you posted that you were going to blame Obama and the Democrats for this entire mess.

    Until you're willing to provide sources for the ridiculous (I would say patently false, but I'm being charitable) claims you make day in and day out, I'm simply not going to respond to your posts from here on out.

    If you're talking about CC&B, it DID get a vote, and they voted to table it. Because it's a terrible, godawful, ill-conceived plan with less than a snowball's chance in hell of passing. I assume you'd give Harry Reid some credit for not wasting taxpayer dollars debating that turd.
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    What are you even talking about??????
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    An argument that Obama actually wants a crisis. Follow his playbook, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Alinsky is quoted as saying:
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    When Clinton vetoed the Gingrich budget and shut down the gov the press played along the pubs got the blame and Clinton got reelected.

    Don't you remember?

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