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    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303953050138122


    Lots of good stuff in the article check it out. No wonder BO freaked out at Corsi, more info on his radical past which of course continued until he threw Wright under the bus this spring.

    After seeing this stuff his close relationship with Ayers makes sense, bird of a feather....
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    Obama is a closet commie ... and much more.
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    An unsigned editorial that is filled with hysteria and hyperbole is now viewed as a credible source.. is it Nov. 10 yet.. you folks have to step back and see what you are posting and relying on.
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    Of course, someone who relies on Corsi or right-editorials for his information is bound to get things wrong. The editorial has so many distortions and half truths it's hard to know where to begin. The effort to imply that Obama is somehow a closet Communist is simply more of the same, but it's a pathetic attempt that will only resonate with elderly right wingers who suffer red scare paranoia.

    This is from Unfit For Publication, which cites dozens of specific lies by Corsi and backs them up with the full quotes from Obama's book as well as from various articles. I'm not providing every passage from Obama's book that was quoted, just some:

    http://obama.3cdn.net/a74586f9067028c40a_5km6vrqwa.pdf

    LIE: “But the key role Frank Marshall Davis plays in the autobiography is not to provide Obama with words from his poems as a voice for Obama’s black rage. Instead Davis is the mentor Obama seeks for wisdom and advice, for instance when he has a crisis with his grandmother that was so traumatic Obama still mentions it today.” [p 87]

    REALITY: OBAMA MEMOIR CHARACTERIZED FRANK DAVIS MARSHALL AS A FIGURE FROM HIS YOUTH WHO “FELL SHORT” AND WHOSE VIEW OF RACE WAS “INCURABLE”

    And if later I saw that the black men I knew— Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq— fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own—

    “What had Frank called college? An advanced degree in compromise. I thought back to the last time I had seen the old poet, a few days before I left Hawaii. We had made small talk for a while; he complained about his feet, the corns and bone spurs that he insisted were a direct result of trying to force African feet into European shoes. Finally he had asked me what it was that I expected to get out of college. I told him I didn’t know. He shook his big, hoary head…’Leaving your race at the door,” he said. “Leaving your people behind.” He studied me over the top of his reading glasses. “Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained. They’ll train you to want what you don’t need. They’ll train you to manipulate words so they don’t mean anything anymore. They’ll train you to forget what it is that you already know. They’ll train you so good, you’ll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that ****. They’ll give you a corner office and invite you to fancy dinners, and tell you you’re a credit to your race. Until you want to actually start running things, and then they’ll yank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid nigger, but you’re a nigger just the same…It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created.”

    Now, I think it's interesting that Patsfan13 is an apparent an admirer of Corsi. Using the logic that patsfan13 uses to imply that Obama is a black nationalist or Communist, what can we conclude from pf13's apparent respect for Corsi's views? Can we conclude that he is an anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim conspiracy nut? I would not, but I suppose pf13 would, given his great faith in guilt by association.

    Again from Unfit for Publication, and well sourced, but it would be too long to provide the full quotes:

    CORSI IS A 9/11 TRUTH BELIEVER—THAT AIRPLANES WERE NOT TRULY TO BLAME FOR DESTRUCTION OF WORLD TRADE TOWERS (documented by a quote from a radio interview)

    Corsi: Minnesota Bridge Collapse Caused By “NAFTA Superhighway.” (from Worldnet)

    Corsi Wrote a Book Disagreeing With Most Scientists That There is a Limit to Oil.

    His freerepublic.com posts:
    CATHOLICS AND THE POPE
    • “Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press.”
    • “So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the lawyers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that’s probably about it.”
    • “Islam is like a virus -- it affects the mind -- maybe even better as an analogy -- it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects.”
    • “Islam is a peaceful religion as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered, and the infidels killed.”

    Thanks for starting this thread pf13. There's lots more in Unfit for Publication if you have other distortions.
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    Even though Obama only "associated" with someone with communists beliefs, who TF cares if someone was a "commie" back in the 70's? Are you serious? In America, were even allowed to have a communist party if people chose to organize one. When I was in college, I had a fascination with communism myself. I went to UMass, Amherst and their economics dept had a fairly radical faction.

    Communism is not evil. People too often associate it with China and the Soviet Union and being a traitor. Communism is just a philosophy, that's all. It is not BAD in any way, shape or form. If you think it is, prove it.

    So there you have it. Professors being paid by the state were communists sympathisers....and they probably still are...who cares? Clinton tried pot once too and he got re-elected!
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    Can we ban the next person who even vainly attempts to take some facts and twist them to create a lie? Seriously, it's almost as if some of our members are purposefully trying to smear Obama.

    Who in their right freakn' mind would do something so childish, irresponsible and assanine?
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    Of course it didn't stop there, Bo was a 'commumity organizer' associated with ACORN which has been involved in numerous cases of voter fraud and is on the leftist fringe. Then his buddy and fellow traveler Bill Ayers put him as head of the foundation he headed. So the assoation with communist/socialist/progressives didn't stop with his teenage years, Given his lack of a record or legislative accomplishments it is worth noting where he is coming from and who he has associated with all his life.



    There is no country where communism has not been evil and destructive to freedom and individual rights.
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    Corsi merely identifies people BO writes about in his book and gives some context to where BO has pcked up his influences, he went from Davis to another angry racist Rev Wrigth who he associated himself with for 20+ years.

    But if you want to bury your head in the sand be my gurest.

    Why is it that any attempt to look at who BO associated himself with and worked with is a smear. You think he would be proud of his 'progressive' friends and mentors.
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    There has never been a true communist country, though some have called themselves by that term, just as we call ourselves capitalist, even though that's not completely true for us. China and Russia more accurately had forms of socialism that deteriorated into government capitalism, where economic power and control fell into the hands of bureaucrats. But, forms of socialism have worked well in countries like Sweden, France, Germany, and Spain. And forms of capitalism have worked horribly throughout the Colonialization era, not to mention Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, which maintained their capitalist economy (to the extent it was not run by their political opponents and Jews).
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    No, Corsi lied and misrepresented what the book said. The Obama campaign provides over 30 pages of specific examples using quotes from Corsi's book and quotes from Obama's book. Obama does not deny knowing these people anymore than Reagan denied having been a Democrat and a union leader, but the context is what's important. And the context that Corsi provides is dishonest. Often, what Obama learned from these people is what not to do, and I would add that I think that's true for many liberals today. Much of the leftist doctrine of the 60s has been completely rejected, just as many conservatives have rejected homophobia, sexism, and racism they would have once embraced.

    The attempt to smear Obama by claiming he's some sort of radical because he associated with some former radicals would be like claiming you're anti-Catholic because you have been influenced by Corsi's writings.
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    Germany and Italy had centrally planned economies under the national socialist who ran them.

    As to your socialist paradises they have unemployment rates ~ 10% double the rates in the US. Their birth rates are leading to demographic disasters for those countries also. That is not a model we should emulate.


    The excuses for communism having never done properly are laughable. The reason it has never been done well is becuase it is against human nature and natural law it can't work.
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    This Messiah Obama guy is an arrogant jerk, any man who tells the news media not to talk about his ears should never be elected as the President of the USA, the minute the a$s hole mentioned Corsi's name another 2 million books went off the shelf.

    Wait until they turn the new First Lady Loose then you will see some real big time sh!t go down.
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    I wonder if BHO wishes he had left "FranK" out of the book?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...nist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html

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    I don't support communism, but I think it failed so badly because those countries didn't have open government so it led to massive corruption and became nothing more than state capitalism (where the bureacrats control the wheels of production and make the profit). I don't think fascist Italy was socialist, but I know that Nazi Germany wasn't. They had free enterprise for those who were not enemies of the state. They negotiated contracts with companies, didn't interfere with how companies were run, etc.

    My view is a hybrid economy, with socialist welfare programs, but driven by a capitalist engine, works best. I think my standard of living in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark was higher than here, even though my income was lower (after taxes).
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    Obama a closet commie, you are obviously out of touch with the real world!
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    Did he emerge once again?? Waiting for him to close down this forum the week before the season begins, that be next week for all of you non football type..kinda like one of those doomsday groups.
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    Was NEM in that YouTube crowd that said "F#ck ...Fox News"?
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