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    I didn't watch it but it looks like there was some fairness :

    President Obama Questioned about Health Care in ABC News Forum with Charles Gibson and Diane Sawyer in special edition of Prime Time Prescription for America Questions for the President - ABC News

    "Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to promise that he wouldn't seek such extraordinary help for his wife or daughters if they became sick and the public plan he's proposing limited the tests or treatment they can get.

    The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if "it's my family member, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care."


    Hey obama - go f*ck yourself.
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    I'm so sick of the whole "rock star" schtick already.

    Bring back Ike. Or even Reagan.



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    And the kicker is that members of Congress are exempt from the Kennedy version of the bill:

    Dissecting the Kennedy Health Bill

    We're being sold a pile of sh*t for a healthcare bill. Change you can believe in.
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    When Messiah Comrade Barack Hussein Jug Ears Obama and that Pelosi Gang Of Grinning Pigs gets through destroying this country and raping the American People even the "Obama Groupies" will turn on him, the democrats are slowly self destructing in their rush to impliment all the batty loony sh!t they have been dreaming of for years, democrats aren't what they used to be.
    GOD DAMN AMERICA (obama holy man)
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    Note:

    I couldn't see any telepromters, nor did he show his birth certificate before, during or after the meeting.
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    Didn't see it. Then again, neither did anyone ELSE :singing:

    Look like a ratings bust. DFL in the nightly ratings war.

    Perhaps, the bloom is coming of the rose a bit. :cool:
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    He may have given a better answer to the question I mentioned if he had his teleprompter with him.
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    which is why he says something as stupid as : 'the VA and Medicare provides a high level of satisfaction'

    he is very out of touch
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    yes, but where is his birth certificate?


    Watching it last night, I thought he gave measured answers. At times I said to myself "Well thats a nice way to not answer the question..." etc.


    The one thing I took away from this, and all those Obama haters should as well is this:

    Healthcare reform is coming. Its time to become part of the dialog. I've already contacted my Senators and reps to tell them what I think and would encourage all those on this board to do the same. A hand written letter is best, but you can also call or e-mail. Its time to voice your opinion.

    Find Your Legislator
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    yes and no.......as long as there is no bill sitting there and all they are doing is talking about it, this thing is a million miles off in the distance
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    This will certainly be debated, and eventually voted on this summer. The need for healthcare reform is crucial to the financial stability of the US. NOBODY is questioning the fact that entitlements will occupy 100% of our budget by 2050...

    so the time is now.

    the question is how?
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    I keep getting lost in the dual argument of :

    1) 50M uninsured.
    2) They get healthcare anyway but in the more expensive ER.

    So . . . if they're taken care of anyway by taxpayers but in the expensive ER whey does it cost us $1.5+T ? Shouldn't the savings of the expensive treatment they're already getting get us most or all of the way there ?

    Wanting to cut costs by getting them out of the ER - fine. But I keep hearing they're "more expensive" so why is it costing us a fortune ????
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    Its difficult...

    the 1.5 trillion figure you hear is CBO figures, meaning they are running on the current situation. You wouldn't see the savings of a person getting preventative care instead of ER treatment in a budget, because its an uncomputable number. You can't budget for future savings, when the measures to save cost aren't happening.

    There were some important points that came up last night in "how to pay for this"

    1. Even with cost shifting and preventative care, we still end up about 600Billion short.
    2. Every person needs to take personal responsibility for future care, meaning a living Will.
    3. There are private hospitals that work, check the Mayo Clinic.
    4. Even the hospitals that work run into cost debates.....such as hip replacement for terminal patients etc.
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    So terminal bill has to just suck it up with the bum hip until he dies, oh the humanity.
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    I think thats a case by case issue.

    Its odd to me that people say "I don't want the government deciding what care I get"

    yet they are cool with an insurance adjuster doing it.



    I know what my instructions are for my parents when it comes to this decision.
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    It's because . . . if you are unhappy with what your insurer does you can get a new one. If you are unhappy with what the government does . . . you're just unhappy.

    (note - I realize in a minority of cases you can't change insurers if you have a bad pre-existing condition but most of the time you can and with the government you're ALWAYS stuck).
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    NO pre-existing conditions is part of the debate.

    I believe you would be FOR a public option by your statements.
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    No. Right now if I am unhappy with Blue Cross I can take my business elsewhere. That concept eliminates Single Payer. Regarding "Public Option", whatever that ends up being, it has a significant chance to put insurers out of business and while it does add to competition, it doesn't add much, just "one more insurer" basically. Solely by itself, adding another option is fine. But not when it would likely stomp the others.
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    I think the public option would eventually force all insurers out of business too. I'm 100% for that.

    For profit medical insurance only profits when coverage is denied....we need to eliminate the middle man, in my opinion. I'm all for a single payer.

    Your choice shouldn't be what INSURER you want, but what DOCTOR you want.
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    entitlements will be occupying the entire budget regardless of whether or not healthcare reform is introduced.........

    the term 'entitlements' in itself is a joke........... created at the hand of incrementalist libbies to replace the term 'welfare' .....

    libbies have basically taken something that was defined to be temporary and made it sound permanent.......bunch hacks......

    just another handout to the lemmings of the world
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    Which is why I don't want that. Then the government makes the decision and I'm stuck with it. With my insurance, maybe I won't like the decision and will be stuck with it but most of the time I will then be able to go elsewhere and give my business to a different company.

    Government healthcare is basically "for profit" is that they have to make decisions based on cost. I understand the point on profit but with Single Payer the "cost" is still just as much of a factor.

    Again, I want a choice of insurers, not "the government". Now I get to choose what type of coverage I want, what kind of stuff I expect to need, etc. With the government it's one size fits all.
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    So you are calling "social Security, Perscription drug benefits, and medicare....WELFARE?"


    cool......whatever, dude.


    You know Bush steamrolled WELFARE....right?

    Bush Touts Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit

    I guess Bush is a 'libbie' now......like Governor Sanford, and John McCain....etc.....


    it doesn't matter what you call it, the cost predictions WILL occupy all of your tax dollars in 40 years.

    thats a fact.
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    that's a prediction......learn english

    so how is this new program going to save money........by spending 1T more????

    LMFAO....typical libbie math
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    as I stated in my first post here....its cool if we disagree. This is what the debate will be about, and thats why its important for us to contact our reps and let them know....


    Its why I left the link for thos ehere who have yet to caontact them. I made my reps aware of my opinion.
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    BTW, when my mom had her cancer, under Medicare, she didn't get to choose her hospital or her doctor/surgeon. She also had to wait two months to get her surgery. Not that cancer can spread in that time or anything ;) Would she be alive today had they not waited two months ? Probably not, who knows, but Single Payer isn't the romantic ideal you seem to think it is.
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    He really said that? :confused:
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    Raw Story Ex-insurance exec confesses health insurers dump sick people

    Our current system at work......


    “Potter, who has more than 20 years of experience working in public relations for insurance companies Cigna and Humana, said companies routinely drop seriously ill policyholders so they can meet “Wall Street’s relentless profit expectations,’” Potter told the hearing, according to ABC News.




    YAY!
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    somhow it works in every other nation on earth.

    You and I don't see eye to eye on this at all, and thats cool.

    This certainly isn't the first time...nor will it be the last.
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    That depends on your definition of "works", I guess :)

    You basically want us all on Medicare, if you'd be happy with that great. That's a better comparison than other countries because it takes out many of the variables. Single Payer = Medicare for All.

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