Welcome to PatsFans.com

Obama withdraws smog regulation, overruling EPA

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Holy Diver, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

  2. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,845
    Likes Received:
    90
    Ratings:
    +151 / 3 / -19

    What Obama does not understand that with the GOP, there is confusion between kindness and weakness. What he needs to do it give them a continual bytchslap.. that is all they understand.

    Being nice or conciliatory will never work as evidenced on this board..
  3. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2006
    Messages:
    26,731
    Likes Received:
    125
    Ratings:
    +249 / 3 / -2

    I don't think he did this to be kind. I think he did this because imposing even more regluations on business and the economy, at a time when signs point to a double dip, and you're seeking reelection, wasn't a good idea. He did this for his own benefit (reelection) than he did out of "kindness". Incase people haven't noticed, the economy added ZERO jobs last month. Another $90 billion in regulatory costs to business isn't going to help that.
  4. Gainzo

    Gainzo Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    The rule is up for review in 2013 so no need to put it into place now.

  5. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,845
    Likes Received:
    90
    Ratings:
    +151 / 3 / -19

    To most this makes sense, but it will be viewed as weakness or flip flopping..

    Either way the right will not view this as a common sense thing..
  6. Gainzo

    Gainzo Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Unfortunately I agree. This is something the GOP wants but they will somehow twist it around to make Obama look bad.
  7. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    24,581
    Likes Received:
    62
    Ratings:
    +110 / 7 / -10

    It would be nice to know what the naturally occurring levels of Ozone are?

    Do they vary based on local conditions?

    What is the impact on health between the current situation? 'Natural' levels and proposed levels?

    The delay is to accommodate the election,nothing more, if it is a good idea why is a review needed after the election? If a review is needed why was the regulation being considered at all if the justification hadn't been established.

    I don't know much about ozone, but the sort of sleight of hand demonstrated here shows the problems with these regulations and whether or how they are justified.
  8. wistahpatsfan

    wistahpatsfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    15,672
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    Only because Obama will let them. And because he'll let them, no one in the D's will fight for him, nor should they. This guy's a dud.
  9. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    24,581
    Likes Received:
    62
    Ratings:
    +110 / 7 / -10

    Another thought if Naturally occurring Ozone levels vary (thinking of methane levels as an example) does it even make sense to have a nationally mandated level?
  10. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,845
    Likes Received:
    90
    Ratings:
    +151 / 3 / -19

    Check out fox news for example..
  11. IcyPatriot

    IcyPatriot ------------- PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    37,703
    Likes Received:
    257
    Ratings:
    +476 / 2 / -10

    #87 Jersey

    In the USA vs the world hopefully this is a step in the right direction ... we are way over regulated and it's killing us.
  12. wistahpatsfan

    wistahpatsfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    15,672
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    Yeah.

    How are we going to compete with these lucky bastids if all we care about is a clean environment?

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
  13. chicowalker

    chicowalker Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    12,819
    Likes Received:
    93
    Ratings:
    +145 / 2 / -1

    There are some environmental laws that don't make sense. Superfund cleanups, for example, put financial burdens on companies that clearly didn't cause the problems. (I don't know whether those laws still exist.)

    But like child labor laws, I don't think this is an area where we bend to meet other nations. Instead, tax imports from countries that don't have those regs in place, or put special taxes or bans on imports from manufacturers we know to be heavy polluters.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>