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Obama to UNIONS: You are exempted from cadillac tax. I'm your boy

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  1. NEPatriot

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    Democrats, Unions Reach Deal on Health Tax - WSJ.com

    While everybody else is paying cadillac tax for ObamaCARE, unions are exempted from it. Obama is a good Union's boy.
     
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    This is a disgrace, people who work in non union shops non governmental employees are being discriminated against. Chicago crony politics.


    My neighbor and I make the same money, we have the same medical plan, he works in a union shop, I don't. His medical plan isn't taxed, my plan is taxed at 40%.


    Amy Obama supporters care to try and defend this?
     
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    This is the rationale I've read behind it:

     
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    #75 Jersey

    I am more and more convinced that this bill will not get past the Supreme Court. I can't see how you can tell people that they must buy something or pay a penalty (an unlike car insurance, you can not choose, not to live).

    How can it be legal for the federal government ot subzidize Louisiana and Nebraska and not the other states?

    How can you tax a non-union worker, and not tax a union worker? What about Right to work states?

    Hopefully the good people of Massachusetts will put an end to this travesty next week, but I have a strange feeling that the voter fraud machine that is Obama will be coming to town soon!
     
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    A new kind of politics my arse. :rolleyes:
     
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    Can I ask where you got the quote for the rationale? It might help to put it in context.
     
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    So someone might take a $12/ hr job rather than a job that pays $15/hr due to the health ins benefit, now they will be screwed by Obama.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    First of all.....Who is hiring ANYONE?

    The conservative experiment not only failed, it has taken us back a generation or two. We no longer manufacture anything but weapons, we have successfully shipped all our jobs overseas, we have dropped the tax rate for the wealthiest americans.

    Now the few reamaining unions, who negotiated lower pay, to recieve a better nebefit package, and you people still B!TCHHH!!!

    Its amazing!

    Unions are the last voice of the worker against elite corporate greed. Imagine for a second if they did thge same thing to your VOTES as they are doing to the unions in this country?

    Unions and their members should not be punished for this.

    THis is a fair deal.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Of course it's not "fair". If two identical earners have to pay a different tax then it's not fair.

    What's the end result, though ? The bill gets less revenue which means it has to be made up somewhere which means taxing the "rich" many of whom are small business owners and there will be more layoffs or less hiring.

    If it's fair to tax a non union person making $X then it's fair to tax a union person making $X.

    Regarding the contract, contracts can be re-opened, obama is just bending over for his friends as usual.
     
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    They can? How sure are you of this?
     
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    We are losing jobs to other countries because it costs too much to make anything here in the U.S. Precisely because of unions and corporate taxes.

    And unions are a major cause of corporate greed. Corporations are forced to make more higher profits to feed the demands of the union beast.

    The major weapon used to fight corporate greed is competition.
     
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    Those non union people complaining that they dont have a union pay scale is REDONCULOUS.

    I deal with Union and non union people all day....If you are complaining about not being paid as much, and are not in a union I have 3 words for you...


    PAY YOUR DUES!

    are you serious?
     
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    #80 Jersey

    Thats a crock of $#!T...and you know it.

    Its all to maximize profits for stockholders and the executives. Any honest person will tell you that, and claim capitalism as its shield for explaning it to you with a straight face.

    A plant in Mexico, or a call cenetr in India has NO UNION, we are exporting slave labor, without a voice. All the while eliminating Jobs for AMERICANS. Then you all b!TCH that the unemployment figures are so high.....who thinks like you people?


    A union keeps these poeple honest.

    You seem to be for slave labor, sweatshops, and elimination of the middle class....
     
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    Not to mention that the US has one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates.
     
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    Sure they can. Usually the union wants something for the concessions, of course.

    Anyway, regardless of that, IT'S NOT FAIR. Clearly. If you can't or won't add a tax for a union worker then you shouldn't add a tax for a non union worker.
     
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    Hey, I never said I supported losing jobs to other countries. And I agree, that corporations try to max profits for their investors. But unions increase the cost of manufacturing and make us less competitive overseas.

    American Axle Strike: Unions Continue to Kill U.S. Manufacturing

    U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes
     
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    #80 Jersey

    What do you conservatives hate more ... Healthcare, Taxes or Unions?


    Because this is a situation where UNIONS' TAXES are being lowred on HEALTHCARE.....Its like a perfect storm of hatred for neo-cons, cons, and general greedy muhfukaz....



    I understand why you all seem so confused on what to hate here....haters.
     
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    Some people already have jobs and medical plans. I know some young people with kids in exactly this situation.

    Unions suck.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    What your shortsighted-ness fails to see is that the money the US worker makes in teh US gets spent in the US.

    The money that the Indian makes from the US compnay, gets sucked out of teh us and circulated in India...



    BUY AMERICAN.....even if it costs more. In the end you are helping america.
     
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    Has nothing to do with hate.

    The unions are being bribed. Simple as that. They were threatening to drop support of the hc bill because of the cadillac tax. This bribe, exempting unions from the tax, was made so they continue supporting it.
     

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