Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by mikey, Feb 7, 2009.
Obama upholds Bush faith policy - Los Angeles Times
Mixing religion and politics is never good.
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I saw this , too. Federally funded faith-based initiatives? WTF is that? Keep your freaking myths and legends to yourself and your families and get your hand out of my pocket!
What a backwards concept. Change, my asz!
Funny how everyone wants to scream about funding the NEA but no one gives a crap about the feds supporting religious-based whatever. I think there's a connection here.
I would rather get rid of these programs altogether whether faith based or 'community' based, that said if the program exist why discriminate against faith based orgs as opposed to other NGOs?
He's not just continuing them btw, he's also expanding their reach.
Faith-based office to expand its reach under Obama
By MICHELLE BOORSTEIN and KIMBERLY KINDY Washington Post
Feb. 5, 2009, 7:57PM
WASHINGTON â President Obama Thursday announced the creation of his faith-based outreach office, expanding its agenda beyond funding social programs to work on policies aimed at strengthening family life and reducing abortion.
Obamaâs office leaves in place rules that allow faith-based groups receiving federal funding to hire only people of their own faith, but White House aides said the hiring rules would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis when there are complaints and that the Justice Department will provide legal assistance.
Obamaâs move more fully formalizes the partnerships between the federal government and faith groups that first began under President Bill Clinton and was expanded by President George W. Bush. But where Bush used the faith office primarily for funding programs â drawing criticism that he was mainly assisting his political supporters â Obama said he wants to use the office for policy guidance, as well.\
Patters may change his grade for Obama from A-triple plus to A plus plus.
Another reason I didn't vote for the guy. What a ******* joke.
discriminate against faith? giving money to an NGO that's religious based is a violation of church/state separation.
Faith based organizations cannot possibly be as diverse as to satisfy everyone. However ... Obama is trying to modify how people are chosen and hired. Is there really a huge difference between a faith based organization and a politically based orginization? Skin color diversity is an attainable goal for every orginization. Religious diversity for religious orginizations is an inane thought.
Faith based orginizations however diverse or not diverse serve a greater role in keeping our society from gravitating to socialism. The less people are dependant on our government the better. The more faith based orginizations are pushed aside the closer we get to becoming an oligarchy. Seperation of church and state is possible without elimination of church from state IMO.
Whiners. The faith-based initiatives get funding only because the God-deniers get a hundred times MORE funding, whether it be for abortion on demand, free sex/same-sex education, or having the ACLU running amok.
What has concerned me since the Chimp in charge started all this shyt, was the reimbursement for efforts normally attributed to a church function.. consider when Katrina struck some church took up a collection for a program such as building a house, all of the congregation contributed and then the church could seek reimbursement from the feds... WTF is going on here????..
Ah... so you've just conceded that a society naturally gravitates towards socialism? ... And that organized religion "helps" keep a society from such a natural impulse? ... Telling, indeed.
I read the same story, with some disappointment. After all, the office should be abolished, but will not be. People of faith and the charitable works they fund would be up in arms, and, lacking a belief in civil liberties, they would right to be up in arms. And make no mistake, the majority of Americans is, in fact, hostile to the intent of the founders, on one issue or another, to one extent or another.
Now: Is Obama therefore Bush? No, Obama must confront the legacy of Bush and choose at each juncture to reverse the damage, repair the damage, or contain the damage.
By choosing to review hiring rules on a case-by-case basis, and by emphasizing the community programs on an equal basis with the faith-based programs, he's given a slight nod to the establishment clause and all it entails, but for the time being he's agreeing that funding all initiatives including faith based, he is skirting the civil libertarian objection, preserving political capital to fight on other fronts (for example, that little matter of the stimulus bill we're all concerned about.)
Wildo, it's good you're out there not voting for pragmatists. It's the right theoretical position, to define the real left as the left, and define a guy like Obama as the center. You'll always back failures at least for the foreseeable future, even in the current environment. BUT, you and your ilk will act as a signpost for what the real left looks like (and frankly I don't think it looks all that bad, on most issues.) If nothing else, it prevents people from taking this "Obama is a socialist" crap seriously.
From my point of view, the best thing that can happen to the Office of Conflating Church and State, is for some good-hearted Satanists to open up the Damnation Army, where soup is served along with a sermon on the benefits of their Dark Lord. Then we'd have the same people crying about "Piss Christ" crying about the Office of Conflating Church and State.
PS, to all here who make the argument that the establishment clause means you can support religious groups IN GENERAL....
Would you be in favor of US Government funds going to the Damnation Army, should a group of Satanists establish such an organization, indistinguishable from parallel religious groups in their works, but preaching a Satanist ideology?
Street Smarts and Common Sense should steer any clear thinking person away from Socialism and Big Government.
Imagine Al Franken, Auntie Pelosi, Pant Suit Hillary and Uncle Teddy running your home.
The election of Left Wing Socialist "Barack Hussein Obama" is a good thing, it will make the republicans stronger and they will be back, big time.
The American People will never tolerate a Socialist Dictator, blood will run in the streets.
Ah yes, what is a thread on faith based initiatives without Harry chiming in to threaten violent revolution?
What the fark are you talking about this time, Harry?
don't feed the trolls... Harry is irrelevant to otherwise informed debate...
he holds the record for 0-reply threads for a reason...
THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPORTING FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS!
That means that they are taking money from the government to do their "work"! How is that not leaning toward socialism? Your entire post is contradictory. Try again.
I can't argue with the first part.
NGO's that don't discriminate on the basis of race, creed, disability (to a point) or gender can take part in the social engineering of the country. Those who discriminate cannot play.
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