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  1. IcyPatriot

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    Without researching this or posting links ... just a throw this out there kind of thread. How is Obama going to appease the unions and get the economy rolling without rowing against the tide?

    Tax breaks for businesses doing business in the country will help reduce their costs. National healthcare will also help to reduce their overhead ... but perhaps a seperate discussion.

    i just don't see how this country is going to surge ahead with unions expecting a bigger foray into businesses. How can the economy get stronger and union membership grow at the same time?

    Can he pull this off?

    Will he survive (politically) if he doesn't cater to the unions?

    Will he get the unions to sit tight while the economy grows first?
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    the unions hold this country bac alot IMO. as the jobless rate goes up obama gains more negotiating power. GM's union can't feel so great. this whole economic downturn is a great plot to break unions too and push the common man down as when he gets desperate he will work for anything.
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    Obama is a very huge union politician ... now perhaps he tries to get them to re-invent themselves ... I don't know. But they gave huge to his campaign as he promised to deliver that ballot initiative that they want ... and it will be delivered.

    It would be nice if unions went back to worrying more about work condidtions but we all know it's way more than that. If Obama pulls this off he'll be an 8 year President ... no question.
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    well the police union must continue to get their paid road construction details.

    those have some pretty tough work conditions, you stand in the freezing cold or sweltering heat
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    My next door neighbor is a cop ... he says he makes more money doing details than he does putting his life on the line.
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    This is a regulation/law issue, go back and repeal the law that requires police presence.. some of this stuff has fed these folks for a very long time..
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    Good topic Icy One! This is going to be a tough one for Obama. I've always supported unions and what they have done for all workers in this country, but their time may be running to an end.

    Now is not the time to be picketing for raises. Obama is going to need some big time vision on this one to appease the unions while doing what is right for the nation....they two may be on diverging paths as you mentioned.

    I have no idea how he'll deal with this issue. In many ways, I feel bad for Obama. Whatever vision he may have had, the quickly deteriorating economic landscape is going to take him WAY off course.
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    This will come with the auto industry. America would be much better served to let all three of them go under and not baill them out. The auto industry simpley can not survive with it current union contracts. Of course the democrats are not going to let this happen, they are going to prop up (with YOUR money) an industry that simpely can not sustain itself.

    All three should be made to sell of parts of themsleves off, or just go out of business. Another car maker will come along and fill the void. The problem is that all the union hacks will lose their jobs, and clearly any new companies will not cowtow to the unions, and may just shut them out altogether.

    So the answer from the democrats here will not be what is best for the country, it will be what is best for the unions.
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    Unions may have been alright when Americans were competing against each other and their company. Now Americans are competing against other countries who will take less pay, have government subsidized benefits, etc, and it just doesn't work. How will Obama do it ? He won't, he can't. We all want all Americans to do as well as they can artificially high business expenses isn't the way to do it.

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