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  1. PATSNUTme

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    #75 Jersey

    by scaring the old people.

    Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3 - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    You know, up until now I personally did not dislike Obama. I didn't approve of his policies but I did not dislike him.

    But this is disgusting and way beneath anyone holding the office of POTUS. Many seniors depend on those checks and many of htem have health problems. To add stress to them at this time is low, very low.

    It could work politically but ethically is as low as you can go. Obama is just another mean spirited. bottom feeding, politician who happens to have a pleasing personality.

    And don't try to spin this by saying he was just answering a question. We all know that the question was a plant by a friendly "journalist".
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    #12 Jersey

    Dude, I know....and he was telling the truth. How dare a president tell the truth?

    Still, I agree, how very much worse for him to do than it was for Sarah Palin and the rest of the Republican Party who coined that catchy (but dishonest) phrase about Heath Care. Let me think, what was it again?

    Um, can't remember rightly.

    Something like "death panel," wasn't it?
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    Obama is certainly playing his hand, no doubt about it. I think he's trying to use this situation to force Congress (both parties) to address long standing issues around both Social Security and Medicare. He's sees this issue as an opportunity to get something major done, since normally each party stymies the other. As a liberal, I'd rather see Obama address this issue than a Republican, because even if Obama does things I don't like, he won't be as bad as Republicans would be in my opinion.

    Besides, the answer is quite complex, and there are different legitimate points of view cited in this article:

    Can President Obama keep paying Social Security benefits even if the debt ceiling is reached? - The Fact Checker - The Washington Post

    Late Tuesday night, however, the Treasury Department cast serious doubt on whether it was feasible to keep paying Social Security benefits if the debt limit had been breached.

    “This type of financial engineering is untested, may not work, and is of questionable legality,” a Treasury official told us. “It is not feasible for Treasury to borrow from the public, each day, the precise amount of Social Security payments due without breaching the debt limit. In addition, it is questionable whether it is legal to redeem Social Security trust fund assets in advance of payments. Moreover, this presumes that Treasury will have full access to the financial markets if the debt limit is not raised.”
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    It's about time he used the bully pulpit. How about you spare some of that righteous indignation for the real culprits: those who would use the debt ceiling to foist their ideological agenda on the American people?
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    What is interesting to see how Fox News Reported it..

    What Obama said...

    Another day another faux hysterical comment from the Newscorpse...
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    #12 Jersey

    They're both using SS as a prop to point fingers.
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    Last I checked the news was supposed to report the news, not supposed to edit it to espouse a political point of view.
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    #12 Jersey

    I agree but two wrongs don't make a right either.
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    It's the left's favorite tactic: Engage in the politics of fear.
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    They are both treating the elderly as uninformed idiots. If I was 70 years old I wouldn't believe a thing either party says.
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    Like death panels and the specter of socialism, right?
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    #75 Jersey

    He was not. He knows very well that the SS checks can be issue if he wants them issued.

    You and others can deflect all you want. Both parties use Medicare and SS scare tatics from time, mostly the Dems.

    But Obama is POUS, that is very different than some person in congress or the Senate or some paid party political hack.

    What he did was beneath the Office of the Presidency. The President is suppose to care about the well being of all Americans. It's deploreable for him to scare old people like that.

    Now there will be 5 more posts of excuses for him. But, I think even the partisans know that he did the wrong thing.
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    I really don't fathom your outrage.

    Are you angry because what he said wasn't true?

    Or if it is true, are you angry because he said it? Because given the public's misconceptions vis a vis the debt ceiling, is there really an issue with educating the populace on the ramifications of inaction?
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    #75 Jersey

    Nice try! The President should not be trying to scare elderly people, who many go into a panic when they hear something could effect their SS payment. If he was not aware of that, he should not be President.
    If you really can't fanthom my outrage that the PRESIDENT would stoop this low, I don't know how else to explain. I'm not the fastest car on the interstate but even I could see that was a deliberate set up question that Obama wanted, so he could try to make political hay.

    Disgusting for a President to do.
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    So you really have no interest in whether or not he's accurate in his statements. You just don't like it because it may scare seniors.

    I might take your outrage a bit more seriously if you have ever voiced a modicum of admonishment toward those who got us in this situation in the first place.
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    #75 Jersey

    Ok, all the politicians Dems and Reps who over the years raided the "Social Security Trust Fund' and filled it with IOU's so they could waste the money on pet projects, should burn in hell.

    Was that good enough? Does that make what Obama did any more right?

    BTW, he was not accurate. As stated before he can send out SS payments if he wants- the $ is there, and he knows it.
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    I'm not talking about the issue of SS solvency. I'm talking about the debt ceiling.

    His remarks were clearly designed to put pressure on the Republicans. It ain't pretty, but then again neither is defaulting on our obligations.
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    #12 Jersey

    So did you feel that way back in 1996 when then President Bush had his Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin announced that The Treasury did not have sufficient funds to pay Social Security benefits or was that different?

    I think not - but who knows?

    Anyhow, the question seems to be a complicated one. There are some good explanations of why we could or could not make SS payments if the debt ceiling is not raised. It seems there are experts which see it both ways.

    Good article here:

    Can President Obama keep paying Social Security benefits even if the debt ceiling is reached? - The Fact Checker - The Washington Post
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    1996 was when Bill Clinton was in office and Robert Ruben was his Sec of Treasury. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

    Honestly, I don't recall if I was angry in 1996.

    I've always hated it when politicians use SS, medicare, staving children, ect., as scare tactics regardless of who uses it.
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    #75 Jersey

    So you are OK with causing some sick old people anxieity and even making them sicker, as long as he is putting pressure on Republicans.

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