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    Moneynews - Obama: Raise Death Tax to Pay for Healthcare

    I don't like Obama universal health care because it costs too much. This is the first time in US history we are taxed LEFT and RIGHT.
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    There is no such thing as a "Death Tax." Once you're dead, you don't own anything, nor do you need anything.

    There is such a thing as an "Estate Tax," which partially interrupts the process of creating "silver spoon" existences for worthless pukes with the good fortune to be born to wealthy parents.

    To raise it to 100% with no floor to the amount of the estate would be scandalous. It would create instant poverty for widows and orphans.

    To raise it by a percentage on estates over a certain amount ($3.5 mill is a pretty hefty chunk of change) would be good public policy.

    The devil is, as always, in the details.

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    This will be self fulfilling, his crappy healthcare will lead to shorter lifespans which will reduce health costs and get the death tax money in quicker. He's brilliant :rolleyes:
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    Whatever I have left I plan to leave as I see fit, not as you see fit, thank you very much. If my sons are deserving they get it; if not charities will. Either way it's none of your business.
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    I just hate the fact that you want your kids to have money and Obama walks in and takes it away.

    I consider Obama's death tax to be 'stealing'. Obama sounds like a communist and socialist.
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    I have NEVER seen a tax system such as Obama's ones. We will end up having NOTHING in the end.

    There is no reason for us to work hard when we have nothing in the end. Obama is a thief.
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    If I cannot afford to die then I will sue the federal government to make them keep me alive.:rolleyes:
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    Not like I am going to be leaving them millions but that's not the point.

    I just love the way pomous do-gooders like PatsFanInVa think they can decide this, he decides the government should get it :

    But some people might need it :


    So he, and the government get to decide what to do with it.
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    Very soon, you will realize that it costs more for you to be alive than death when obama is still in office.
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    Wahhhhhhh.

    As one of our founding fathers put it, nothing is certain except death and taxes. Small wonder then that the two would coincide.

    As far as meaningless and vacuous statements like "I have NEVER seen a tax system like Obama's," the U.S. under Obama will continue (no doubt) to be undertaxed when compared with other industrial democracies. The fact that we're used to criminally low rates to start with provides you with the illusion that the U.S. is in scary uncharted waters when it moves toward the center of that continuum, but a little understanding of how first world countries work may be exactly the remedy to your shock and confusion.

    BFan apparently has or thinks he has $3.5 million to worry about upon his demise. He is very concerned about how to dole it out, and advises me it's none of my business.

    This is true, only in the same way as we can all get red in the face and shake our fists and say we earned every penny of our paychecks, and the government has no business taxing it every pay period.

    Unfortunately, the Constitution accords certain rights to the Federal government, among those the right to raise taxes.

    Now, for those of us unfortunate enough to be unable to build all our own roads or staff our own household fire department, this may seem wise. I am sure there are those who would make out like bandits among the super-rich, were this the nation's policy. But it is not, and never will be.

    So, as far as one's absolute right to leave every penny of his estate as he sees fit, no matter the size of the estate, let me know when you are deceased and I will be glad to engage you on the subject of your rights at that point. If you win the argument, you may then dispose of every penny per your desires. If you lose, thank you very much, the snot-nosed brats or well-raised young leaders will have to start with something a smidgen closer to a level playing field.

    The idea of calling perpetuation of priviledge "fairness" does not resonate with that large majority of people who are not worth $3.5M at death.

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    No I don't but it's none of your business. Count on it, I will have paid enough in taxes over my lifetime, I'm not leaving more when I die. I will start setting up money in my kids name soon enough - of course, I could be subject to "Gift Tax" violations but I'll take my chances on "getting away with" not paying taxes on gifts. Thanks to obama I don't have a great outlook on the future of my kids or their peers so I hope to help mine however I can. God knows they'll need it.
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    pure garbage......that money has already been taxed.........families who have been successful should not be penalized for death

    these people will simply follow the corporations out of this country

    fricking liberal slobs just trying to mooch as much as they can........
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    PFnV,

    It's really shocking to see people like PFNV in this country. Do you know what the capitalist means? Apparently not. Let me explain.

    The reason you study and work hard is to give yourself and family a better future. What is the point of me going to work every day when I know that i and you will have nothing in the end even though I work harder than you?

    In another word, how can you and I have the same amount of money in the end when I'm smarter than you and I earn more money than you?

    Because Obama steals most of my money? Obama's sytem punishs people who want to be rich or independent.

    Why do I want Obama to tell me what kind of future I should have? It's BS.
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    Unfortunately we are double taxed all over the place. Sales Tax, Property Tax, it's all with once taxed money.
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    problem is that this policy has a direct conflict of interest..........what would be the motivation of the medical industry to keep rich people alive? kill 'em and generate some revenue
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    Moreso the government than the medical industry - don't allow expensive chemo, get costs down and revenue up in one decision.

    KILL THEM ALL.
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    More Tea Party's Are In The Works, Big Ones, this Obama guy out of Chicago is a walking sweet talking DISASTER.
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    I have stop for a moment for a petty stylistic break. Come on dude. Are you talking to me or about me? Make up what passes for your mind. Okay, returning to the well-worn diatribe...

    I see. So you believe that I have $3.5 million? That's in addition to believing that you have $3.5 million? And you believe that through redistributionist taxes, people with nothing immediately have $3.5 million, because a portion of their money above that amount is taxed when it transfers to heirs, so now the many many more people with nothing all suddenly have $3.5 million?

    That is not how it works.

    You've characteristically created a nice black-and-white straw-man, and the truth is that there is a scintilla of truth represented, but has nothing to do with your all-or-nothing statement.

    When it's not all-or-nothing -- as in the case of reality, which you should really look into -- such perverse incentives are not the core question. That is why every nation has taxation, and it does not all fall apart in a fit of pouting and indignation.

    I take it you can be happy with $3 million as the reward for your diligence and hard work, unless you prefer to be unhappy at the thought that someone else is enjoying the fruits of your "hard work" via income tax. But oh no! When you leave $3.5 million, some portion of it is taxed!!!!

    Now then, let's take the likely example of a man who works hard, yet is not a multimillionaire, and whose future depends in part on sufficient taxation. Let's talk about the maintenance guy (who I doubt gets a king's ransom from my Condo association for his services,) who came in and did a side job for me this morning for $75.

    Now, we know he is hard-working. We know he is not rich. We know that my Condo building does not provide a health insurance plan.

    If you get $3 million, and your health and the health of your family is taken care of, and they get to inherit $3 million, there's no issue for you, obviously. But what if you make $3.5 million, and it's knocked down to (say) $3.25 milllion? OMG!!!! They'll ONLY have 3.25 million unearned dollars!!!!

    Guess what? I doubt you work as hard as my maintenance guy. Frankly, he and another X guys like him deserve to have decent health care, more than the recipients of the rich guy's inheritance can deserve that inheritance. That is luxury for the rich on top of basic needs, which have been adequately met long ago, whereas we are taking care of basic needs for the regular guy.

    We deserve decent care by dint of being human beings. More than that, this guy is a decent hard-working human being, but we've made health care a "luxury" in this country.

    This idiotic "soaking the rich" mantra, coming from people who are not rich, is in direct contradiction to what it is easy to see every day: Rich people paying themselves bonuses for failing, working the fact that they control jobs to have their own lifestyles and positions perpetuated, gaming the system any way they can, because (in the case of Wall St.) that is fundamentally what they do for a living.

    The rich are necessary to an extent to capitalize industry, so people do have jobs. It is not necessary, however, to continue to coddle and baby them by accepting their myths about how they must be the best and hardest working people, who deserve everything and tax-free to boot, while other people, who do not live in the lap of luxury, should kiss their shoes just for the chance to sleep in the park and lose their teeth.

    Taxation is not only the right of the government, it is the responsibility of the government, to the extent that government funds services, whether health care or the military.

    Why don't you substitute "Eisenhower" or "Nixon" or "Reagan" for Obama? They all had tax policies, and they all hit the rich harder than Obama has proposed thus far.

    Your argument is with taxation. It's childish and simple-minded. Taxation is part of a functional modern society. The attempt to graft this argument onto a single figure who you hate in the first place is fine, but it's transparent. That's why the reactionary fringe remains at 21% allegiance as of the last polls. Of course the majority aren't upset at things like an inheritance tax for millionaires. The majority of people aren't millionaires.

    And of course the millionaires will sulk and make dumb arguments and dispatch quite small armies of know-nothing idealists to tea-bags in public for the television cameras.

    But they're not going anywhere simply because they can't have diamond dust sprinkled over their solid gold basinettes "because they're better and smarter than everybody else."

    PFnV
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    It's about you, pal.

    Don't spin your way out of it. If you have X dollars and I have Y dollars because I earn more money than you, why the hell obama takes a portion of my Y dollars and gives it to you when I spend blood and sweat for Y dollars?

    It's STEALING, ok?


    Fck that. It' STEALING. What the fck the government does to EARN this portion of my million dollars? Don't turn this country into a socialist state.

    I have couple points to make:

    1-I pay the same kind of tax system as everybody. The more money I earn, the more I pay tax. Why am I STILL taxed more because i'm a millionaire?

    2- You don't reward hard working people by STEALING their money.


    Everybody pays taxes for everything you are talking about. Since the government fails to provide certain people certain thing, you blame on 'rich' people for not contributing enough. Come on, now.

    You don't make any sense at all. It's the reason people have 'offshore banking accounts'.
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