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  1. NEPatriot

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    The Associated Press: Obama plan would provide health care for all

    If you are POOR, you get it FOR FREE. Everybody in US has health care. Obama's message to AMERICAN WORKERS:
    WORK HARDER !

    MILLION OF PEOPLE ON WELFAIR AND SOCIAL SECURITY DEPEND ON YOU
    .

    Welcome to socialist state!
     
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    #80 Jersey

    I guess you've never heard of the ER, and wonder how they pay for those who get treated there with no insurance. I guess you haven't seen the most recent stories of people without coverage being tossed out on the streets.


    Great to see how much you care for your fellow americans.

    This is a fact of life for every other industrial nation on Earth. The people with money help out those who have less by assiting in providing quality healthcare to thos ein need. Its the decent thing to do. As you stated in other threads....you want to leave this country. As I've stated, I'd enjoy reading your chronicles of frustration attempting to find another nation that doen't have universal coverage.

    we already pay for the uninsured....

    Report: Uninsured Cost Families Extra $1K - CBS News
     
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    we pay for it either way.........its like you think that under certain circumstances someone is going to get something for free.....ain't' gonna happen
     
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    We pay for the uninsured on many different levels, using an insurance program may make sense.. the reality is in many cities emergency rooms, very expensive, are used as a replacement for regular doctors visits.. people avoid preventive health care, because they cannot afford it.

    Hospitals receiving public funds, Hill Burton Act, cannot deny medical care to anyone in need.. something has to happen here... whatever it is hope it is equitable and does not come across stupid like the medical bill for seniors complete with its "donuts".....
     
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    #80 Jersey

    exactly...

    so why not get everyone on board, and streamline the billing and payment systems. Save money in admin costs, and make sure everyone sees a doctor?
     
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    Bill Clinton SIGNED it into law but it's not FREE any more if you go to ER. If you don't have any health insurance or the ability to pay for your care, you'll be out of hospital in no time.

    I have read a lot of reports about how hospitals around the country TREAT poor people. It's ashame to see it.

    When everybody in US has Obama universal health care, hospitals will hopefully treat people better.
     
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    I would like to know what Obama universal health care WILL AND WON'T COVER. I wouldn't mind at all if it covers expensive drugs or organ tranplantation.

    The private health care insurance is comming to an end very soon.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    You're right, we already pay for them. So that means we won't have pay more taxes, right? I mean you just said we already pay for them.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    listen....its real simple....

    the current system is going to break healthcare, and our national budget within 40 years.

    we need to change it.

    we need ideas, and suggested solutions.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    great question, I assume thats being debated. Call your congressman!
     
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    NOt sure Clinton did this, it was in effect through the Hill Burton Act(passed in 1946) and has since been redefined, which states in a short form that you cannot deny medical treatment to anyone if you receive public funds..
     
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    When I took my mother to Israel hospital in Boston a long time ago, I actually saw a Bill Clinton signature on a special note which the hospital hang on the wall. It specifically stated that the hospital couldn't deny the care. I thought it was a good idea.

    I was shocked when I read the newspaper about how crappy the hospitals treat poor people. I guess time has changed.

    Obama universal health care plan could be better or worse. We'll see about it. Hopefully, this plan will pay a lot of things that the current private insurance CAN'T.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    first we nee dto see a plan...

    then we need to pick it apart and debate its merrits.

    until then.....we need to call our reps to speak our voices.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    That's the irony, when they want to increase taxes they claim all these people have no health care - but when we bring up how to pay for them they say we already are; I don't get it. If we already pay for healthcare for the uninsured . . . we're good.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    The problem is that we OVERPAY for the uninsured. They tend to end up in the most expensive wing of the hospital, the ER.

    Then insurance premiums go up as a result, affecting insured americans as well...


    its a viscious circle.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Ah, great, so we can pay for insurance for them and we'll get a tax cut because we won't be overpaying anymore.

    It's all good then.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    OR we can keep it as is, and overpay for insurers to deny coverage so they can turn a huge profit. And at the same time we can keep our 40 million uninsured americans, who get overcharged when they see a doctor that we insured americans pay for?


    sounds fukcing fanTASTIC.
     
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    Why don't we see headlines like this more often.
    'WOMEN DIES BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE'

    IF YOU HAVE A HEART ATTACK, IF YOU BREAK YOUR LEG, IF A GANG BANGER SHOOTS YOU, IF YOU STICK YOUR HAND IN YOUR LAWN MOWER, IF YOUR WIFE STABS YOU IN THE STOMACH, IF YOU HAVE BUGS, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A BOWEL MOVEMENT FOR TWO WEEKS, IF YOU STOP BREATHING, IF YOU KILL YOURSELF, GO TO A HOSPITAL THEY WILL TREAT YOU.

    IF YOU ARE POOR YOU HAVE MEDICAID THE BEST HEALTH INSURANCE IN THE WORLD

    WE DON'T NEED THE SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT RUN STINKING F-CKING OBAMA BASTARD COMMUNIST HEALTH CARE SH!T

    YOUR POLITICIANS AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL PRESIDENT WILL HAVE THE BEST DOCTORS IN THE COUNTRY "YOU WILL HAVE TO GET IN LINE AND GO TO THE BUTCHER SHOP"
     
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    Study shows medical bills underlie 60% of all US bankruptcies.

    Epoch Times - Medical Bills Underlie 60 Percent of U.S. Bankruptcies, Study Shows


    WASHINGTON—Medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday in a report they said demonstrates that healthcare reform is on the wrong track.
    More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University reported in the American Journal of Medicine.

    "Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate for a single-payer health insurance program for the United States, said in a statement.

    "For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection," he added.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    We've been through this before, somewhere on the board in the past year, and we showed that those numbers are way overstated because any time a family/individual who files for bankruptcy has outstanding medical bills they were counted as a reason for the bankruptcy even if they weren't close to high enough to cause bankruptcy themselves.
     

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